Applied Science - 2014-02-25
I teardown a commercial, handheld breathalyzer and discuss how it works, then test a standalone ethanol sensor. http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/images/product/MQ303A.pdf http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/pdf/MQ303A.pdf http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8880 http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mswool/publications/Gas_Sensors_preprints.pd.pdf
At 5:39 , you say "this isn't pulling oxygen out of the lattice". I don't see why it wouldn't. It is known as the Mars Van Krevelen mechanism, and is a well known catalytic process that occurs on metal oxides, including tin oxide. (See M. Batzill, U. Diebold / Progress in Surface Science 79 (2005) 47–154. It is mentionned in both the introduction and part 2.2).
What happens is not that you reduce the oxide to tin metal, you just introduce defects in the lattice, where the tin is partially reduced. In doing so, you change the doping of the tin oxide (making it n-doped), explaining the change in its electrical properties.
Those lattice defects are then filled by oxygen from the air, regenerating the metal oxide.
I guess it is safe to assume that the concentration of those defects depends directly on the oxygen/ethanol ratio in the gas been fed to the analyser, so that is why you can deduce how much ethanol is present in someone's breath this way.
(No, I'm not just pulling that out of Wikipedia, I've been working for two years now on titanium dioxide, which can also take part in this kind of reaction.)
Good information! Thanks!
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By the way, I was wondering, do you have access to scientific publications online? Or do you have to pay each time you want to download a paper?
(Oh, and why did you change your channel's name?)
piranha031091 he finally did that google plus thing and decided that his channel should be different from his personal G+ page, same as mine is different from my G+ page, but run off the same google account (i have no idea why google makes us use more than one account for a google account for a google service that runs on a google account login for a different google service though)
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Hey, If you're still working on Tin dioxide sensors, you may want to take a look at that document I just stumbled on, it may be useful to you:
Consumption measurements on SnO2 sensors in low and normal oxygen concentration
http://tobias-lib.uni-tuebingen.de/volltexte/2004/1201/
Wow, breathalyzer technology sure has advanced in recent years. The traditional kind of device employed a tube filled with potassium dichromate. The dichromate ion has an intense orange color. It's an oxidizer. It oxidizes the ethanol in the air passing through it, and is reduced to chromate, which is green, in the process, The BAC was determined by the depth of the color change. Of course, a fresh tube had to be used for each test.
I have had a test tube full of potassium dichromate laying around for about two years and just now i am learning that
Implement this into your cookie machine, the more drunk you are the more cookies it makes.
No, include a sensor that detects how STONED you are, therefore making you more cookies :P
Hah, for the calibration they have a specific guy in the factory being wasted all the time to give reference values. Probably the best job in Asia.
asians are very bad at metabolizing alcohol. How it is called when you have headache after the drink?
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Interesting video!
I've got an idea for a little experiment you could do: How about you hold your breath as long as you can before you blow into the breathalyzer? That should decrease the amount of oxygen in the exhaled air, which then may lead to a lower reading.
I'm quite curious if that would work and I would really appreciate an answer!
First video I watched was about your lathe, but now I am hooked. I thought I was an applied scientist, but in reality I am just a student.
The wealth of knowledge contained in your videos is invaluable. If school was this much fun, I would have remained in class.
"So to test it out I drank exactly one and a half ounces of vodka 20 minutes ago."
SCIENCE!
Kinda remind me of the documentary about the Japanese sex dolls factory where the boss asked some of the employees to take one home and see what kind of improvements could be made.
Interesting. I wonder if you can test the alcohol content of a drink by vaporizing some of it and sending it through this device.
I think it would be over saturated. You have to consider that there's a lot of other things besides alcohol in a breath.
That would be a very cool experiment to try!
While a cool concept, I don't think it'd work due to the way alcohol evaporates at a lower temp, Thus the process of distillation to make higher strength alcohol.
***** Huh?
Besides, a hydrometer is already used to determine that by measuring the specific gravity of liquids. Plus the vapor would be missing the O2 component.
A lot of catalytic gas sensors use temperature regulation. While supplying power to the heating element, they also measure its resistance and thus determine its temperature by thermoresistive effect. The regulator is programmed so as to keep the resistance constant. The power necessary to maintain constant resistance is a measure of medium flow and/or catalytic reaction. Methods exist to distinguish one influence from the other.
8:10 For science!
LOL I'm 5 years too late to comment the same thing.
Actually, I could have really done with one of these today!
I have spent around 3 Hours removing vynle decals from my van ready for the newer updated ones. I used methylated spirits (denatured ethanol) to remove the glue residue from the paintwork, loads of it. My hand absolutey stank for 2 hours after and I wondered just how much went into my blood stream. I thought this would be tough to explain if I was pulled over. I also had the same problem when I done this last year then had to go to a parent evening at school, I thought I should explain I haven't downed a bottle of vodka before they made presumptions. BTW vodka is great for removing Biro ink, I used to be in the soft furnishing trade for 20 years, so if you see a bottle in and upholsters workshop, you can still trust him ;P
"It's just happens to be that You don't exhale Butane or Hydrogen..."
I've only seen two of your videos but really great
clear concise very well paced
and organized
okay the moral of the story here is to suck on these things and not blow in to them..........
1 ounce is not a true test....
a true test is test to destruction....
looking forward to a follow up video
on ethanol production....
thanks for the vid
I think you description of the sensing mechanism is correct. SnO2 is naturally n-type due to oxygen vacancies acting as shallow donors. Surface oxygen removes electrons from the conduction band creating a depletion region at the film surface. Removing the surface oxygen by reacting it with the test gas will then result in a measured decrease in resistance.
How significantly would it effect the resistance if you were to hold your breath for about a minute to exchange most of the oxygen in your lungs with CO2 before blowing on the sensor?
You can't use up most of the oxygen you breath in. You'll pass out from CO2 buildup way before you'll have used up even half the oxygen (assuming normal atmosphere with ~20% oxygen).
hellterminator yeah but even if you could reduce the oxygen concentration to below 15% id imagine it would still have some effect.
Alex Boehm ya it makes ur b.a.c. higher cuz u have less oxygen coming out
Mark, it's the other way around? So the trick is to inhale a pure oxygen balloon just before blowing? Unfortunately, the cop doesn't make you blow right away. He'll have you get out of the car and walk the line, etc, first. So you can't just suck in oxygen while you're still in your car. Oh well....
@@ChristmasEve777 there’s a sure fire way to get around this test. Stop driving drunk before you kill someone.
The videos are getting more and more awesome. Thank you for all the great job. I love when you analyze circuits so much in-depth. It makes really understand the whole circuit. Thank you
Really impressed with the production quality of the videos. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos clear and concise. So much garbage out there
Quite interesting, Chemical Sensors are fascinating.
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Could you quickly cool the sensor and see if it thinks it is being blown into? That would confirm your theory about the constant current sense for air being blown in.
I recently bought one of the larger-model BACtrack breathalyzers. My knowledge of electronics and engineering is somewhat limited, but of interest, there were some components inside whose purpose I wasn't certain of. There was something that looked like an electret microphone, which I'm guessing, based on this video, is the alcohol sensor. But there's also a solenoid controlling a silicone bellows which draws a small amount of air into a rectangular device also covered in silicone.
Nice! Also, the consumer BAC devices like you tested will only display a value up to a preset limit. I assume it's to keep people from seeing how high of a BAC they can blow. That of course, take all the fun out of it for a drinking game.
One of my old roommates bought one but I think he got screwed on the deal because it worked for one party and then shit itself permanently. Sad times.
I am always fascinated with his detailed explanation. thanks;
it would be interesting to try different products such as breath freshener or different types of mouthwash to see how they affect it
the sacrifices you do for science
Seems like a fun positive control.
In the final test you blow directly on the sensor. The resistance likely drops considerably due to the cool your breath provides. That's why the keychain device has the breath moving across. Try blowing directly over it when you haven't had anything to drink and it will likely drop in the reading. Presumably the mesh helps prevent turbulence and further rate-limits incoming air.
Interesting. Works based on some principles of combustion. Same that we use on engines.
nice look inside! these sensors can also be used for controlling butane powered spudguns by the way, these sensors surprisingly survive beeing right in the explosion chamber, or even more interesting also, for measuring farts!
You can overload it by gargling a mouthful of high-concentration alcohol just before breathing on/in it.
I've noticed that in my tests the softer you breathe the smaller the number. This seems to be the contrary of what I have expected with the O2 concentration.
Great work! Believe it or not, your work is actually useful even after nearly 7 years.
I just have a question, hopefully, you have the answer after this long time, Where did you get the converting table from?
I don't condone drunk driving whatsoever, however I have driven after a drink within the law. I saw these bac testers in maplin for around £5 and I almost bought one, just to check if I am OK to drive in the morning after a night out, something a lot of people don't consider.
I wouldn't trust one to honest, without doing one of my own cal tests on it, say 2 beers after an hour, but then there are more variables to.
I have been breathalyzed maybe 5-6 times, picking friends up from a night out, or having a night out myself but only had 2 beers or non and in the morning on police stings to catch people driving to work after a night out.
Obviously I have always passed within the limit or no alcohol reading.
I have always been asked how many, what and when I have had a drink and if I have smoked and when. they wait 20 mins if you have smoked.
I find it quite interesting that there are so many variables to consider for the mobile unit they use, but I have seen on the tv cop shows that if you are over they have some massive piece of kit to blow into at the station. That must have atmospheric pressure, oxygen sensors and all sort of top spec stuff to be spot on so as to prosecute with firm evidence.
I also heard that sucking a copper coin might work in your favour, I ponder what the chemical reaction might be in that.
8:08 I was waiting for the Booze Up :) Merry Christmas
Regarding the tin oxide sensor, here's the explanation I got from Figaro. Tin oxide is a semiconductor, like silicon. Its conductivity is influenced by the N -or P type doping it has. It is doped N-type, so normally has low resistance due to the high concentration of free electrons. When heated in presence of oxygen, the heat lowers the barrier between the O2 gas and the SnO2 allowing electron exchange. The oxygen steals electrons to fill its 2 empty spots in its shell from the N-type SnO2, raising its resistance. Alcohol, hydrogen, and hydrocarbon fuels donate electrons, lowering resistance. The older sensors needed to run for days hot before stabilizing at high resistance. With a strong dose of alcohol/hydrogen/fuels, it required hours to regain high resistance. Obviously, the newer sensors have solved the lag problem. The oxygen is required to get the sensor in its "zero" state.
So if you spray it with butane and air mix it will say you are wasted
Some people, who are on ketogenic diet, can measure their ketone level with that.
There only problem is, the display isn't adjust to it.
A company, which produce 'Ketonix', the ketone analyzer, possibly uses the same sensor.
Do you have any sources on that ?
Excellent explanation! Very well presented!
"You don't exhale Butane or Hydrogen"- actually you can ;)
I had a patient, who was breathing in butane to get intoxicated. He sad it was alkohol-like state for few minutes. He was brawling in liquor store, arrested by police, and they performed breathayizer test. Result was 3.3mg/l ~ 7 per mil. He was sober, talking normally, denying drinking any alcohol. It was few hours after breathing in butane.
Also detection of methane and hydrogen in breath is used to diagnose SIBO- presence and activity of specyfic bacteria in bowel. Patients drinks lactulose, and you take measurements every 15 min. Bacteria break down this sugar, as a product of this reaction comes hydrogen or methane (depends on type of bacteria).
Thank you dude. Great explanation.
Just plain breath will cause a change because of the humidity change caused by your breath.
Exhaled hydrogen is used for some medical tests, so maybe they sell the same sensor for that too.
Very interesting. I always wondered how those devices measure the concentrations.
Great video, thanks for posting.
Does it know the difference between blowing into the tube and sucking air out of it? I would think both would cool the sensor. It would be interesting to know if it could tell the difference between the two though.
Based on what I saw on this one, probably not but this is most likely not how a police one is constructed. They probably have some way of determining the airflow direction and perhaps even keeps track of the volume.
Wouldn't be surprised if they'd also take the extra factors such as humidity into account. Also in my country these tests are only the indicators, if you don't pass them then a more accurate test is done at the station.
It would nice to see a follow up video where you consume the 1.5 oz of vodka every 20 minutes until you hit 1.0 on the sensor to see if you can get the decimal point to move.
+Jacob Christ No! Bad Person, no biscuit for you! Back to watching Youtube videos.
I would like to see a follow up to test your hypothesis. Maybe breath in and out of a paper bag for a few minutes to lower your oxygen level and see if it reads a lower bac.
plzz help me with a thing that do we need to remove the power supply after pre heating it or reduce the voltage to 0.9 from 2.2 volts? and do we need to apply this pre heating voltage before every blow of alcoholic air??
What sort of effect does water vapor from your breath play? maybe drying out your mouth or blowing through an absorbent material would change the reading? I'm sure there is a large number of sketchy people wondering how to beat these things, haha
Your lungs have a few liters of air in them and you blow most of it through the breathalizer, so whatever is in your mouth is negligible. That's why all those "tips" how to fake a test (take a mint, lick copper, whatever) are just stupid.
EDIT: just checked. Residual alcohol in your mouth can show higher readings if the test is taken in the minutes after drinking.
They sell canned oxygen in outdoors stores and I'd be really interested to know what effect that would have. You know taking a big hit of oxygen before using a breathalyzer .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they use tin dioxide sensors to detect carbon monoxide as well?
Fascinating as always!
@WillowEpp - 2014-02-27
The casual delivery at the beginning really makes it, for me. "Someone gave me a thing, so I'm going to reverse-engineer it and make my own." No hesitation or uncertainty; just the confidence of a guy who does this kind of stuff all the time.