CGP Grey - 2016-03-07
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Mom said no more videos before bed hehe
Edit: shoulda listened to mom
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Salem Grantham is that a hate comment or did I get wooosht
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Yeeeeees
it weird seeing a cgp grey with a full body as supposed to just the stick figure
Opposed*
r/boneappletea
“Who is you?”
“You is two”
Aaah good one!
Well done you just doubled the existential horror 🤣
Here I was, back in 2006, where Christopher Nolan provoke the same question:
"It took courage to climb into that machine every night...not knowing... if I'd be the man in the box... or the prestige."
The Prestige was such a good movie.
Niiiiiice, i was thinking about this movie too. And holy shit did that line give me chills when i first heard and just now when i read it again
5:40 'Still here? Can't stay awake forever.'
You underestimate my power!
@Drone_Better it's over anakin i have the high ground
@Bob Theseed what kind of coffee do you have?? I have a test i need to study for
@morgan phillips it's an expensive form of crystalline caffine known as "cocaine".
@The Satanosaur Reigns lmao they dont like me attempting to import that form of caffeine though
I have failed you Drone_Better. I have failed you.
The brain still has activity while you are unconscious, whether by way of sleep or anesthesia. So even if we agree that Star Trek transporters are murder machines; it's not really reasonable to compare it to sleep. Sleep is more properly termed an "altered state" of consciousness, rather than the absence of consciousness; for example, in REM it is possible at times for the individual to engage in "Lucid Dreaming", where though they are asleep, they not only have vivid dreams but can exercise a degree of willful control over them.
For example, when I was a child, I sometimes had nightmares where I realized it was all a dream. I remember once I had a "falling dream" and having the thought "great, when I hit the ground I'll jolt awake and have to try to fall asleep again" or a different dream I once had I willed myself to have superpowers within the dream.
Also, even though consciousness is difficult to describe and define; we can use tools like EEG or fMRI to observe another person's brain activity in response to certain stimuli, modes of concentration or other similar such tasks. There's a lot of fine detail that's not understood about Neuroscience in general, but certain tasks like concentration, or language processing (hearing language or speaking language) have been observed to generate particular activity patterns in particular areas of the brain.
Since we can observe brain activity, the "philosophical robot" problem falls apart unless you presume that all observation / reality external to yourself could be an illusion. (Which itself is problematic at the very least because the observable laws of physics are far too consistent across the Universe to be like anything we know or would call an "illusion.")
I did like the ship metaphor though. I think it could be reasonable to say that there is a difference between a system which has parts replaced gradually over time, the entire time remaining a coherent system and incorporating those changes...vs. a system which is disassembled down to the atomic level and reconstructed identically.
@Jonathan Clemens Okay, but animals have lower brain activity. I'm not an expert in this field, but I would believe it if someone told me some animals have as much brain activity as a braindead person. Do those have no consciousness too?
And I didn't quite understand, you said that brain activity doesn't necessarily mean consciousness, but what exactly do you think puts the mind in existence?
@HHOO PPLLAA I don't think consciousness is as simple as some arbitrary level of brain activity. At which point an animal is or is not conscious is not necessarily known at this point, so at best we can only speculate. Do you have an example of an animal with less brain activity than a brain-dead person that we could consider to be conscious?
While all conscious people will have brain activity, it does not follow that anyone (or anything) with brain activity is conscious. If A then B doesn't mean if B then A. While the exact point at which consciousness is lost may not be known, we can say with confidence that a brain-dead person is not conscious.
Thank you good sir. Now I can sleep
Okay Smartypants
@DreamCanvas Every seconds that passes you are a new person, the idea of oneself is a useful abstraction.
Ok so if beds are suicide boxes then transporters are just naps.
This is the Netflix show “Living with Yourself”.
Or the Arnold Schwarzenagger movie: The 6th day
I will take the "IGNORANCE IS BLISS" on this one.
Smith: then we have a deel?
don't worry he made mistakes in the video and hes just flat out wrong by the end
well you would be blissfully ignorant, that's for sure. unless you actually started thinking about. Honestly, I don't understand how more characters in TNG, besides the doctor (not beverly), don't consider this. Especially after that incident with Riker getting cloned in a transporter accident.
It seems against the culture that in such a philosophically driven civilization that they would not consider such matters or be "brainwashed" into not caring so they could efficiently carry out their duties for "state" (federation).
I mean, in that universe and after this video, I would disable the disassembler and have an army of mes completing missions, colonizing, and running ships all with the collective mutual understanding of eachother regarding to all of us as individuals. Unfortunately I was born and developed before this technology exists
Try again? Ending 31 of 31
Being serious, I had heart surgery. I was unconscious on the table for some hours, with my heart stopped and my temperature brought very low.
When I came around, and the long process of recovery started, I knew I was me, but I didn't FEEL like "me." I felt diminished, as if I was slightly out of body, WATCHING myself doing what I was doing. Not wholly OOB, you understand, but just a bit "zombified."
Then, about two months later I woke up in the morning and suddenly I was "back!" That morning I truly felt like ME again... as if my personality had been restored. It was quite a big difference and not gradual at all.
I don't know if these feelings were significant, but I understand a lot of people feel similar after deep and extended anaesthetic.
I remember feeling this way throughout a 8 month long depression cycle.
@Joaquin Alvarez Thank you for your response, Joaquin. I am sorry I did not see it before.
I am also sorry that you did not feel good for so long... but I am happy that you seem better now.
Best Wishes to you, and have a good 2020, eh?
I don't think this time of experience is exclusive to losing consciousness. I definitely feel this way, over ten years on from a very traumatic experience. I feel like certain parts of me were cut away; my emotions shallower, my priorities shifted dramatically, my talents diminished, my memory absolutely destroyed. I'm okay(ish) now, but I'm not the same person I was.
@Totally Nameless Dear Totally, Please continue to get better... and maybe do it a bit faster, eh? (Sincere wish.)
Well, at least I lived for 2 days.
So insomnia is a self-defense technique, cool
Why did I have the BRILLIANT IDEA to watch this before sleep...
You and I both dude...
@TechPassion you two and me
Asking the same thing
Are you sure the person who wrote that was you tho.....
I will read the comments 1st was a bad idea 2 watch this b4 sleep
Hot take: There is no consistent, "You." Identity is an illusion.
Yes, it's a virtual existence. Metaphysically speaking, conscious entities exist as long as physical form allows them to relate unto themselves as something that is an individual. We're all virtual software running on the brain's hardware.
An illusion to who or what?
Fabian Araya illusion to yourself
Kanta indeed, living is basically death. Imagine yourself as links in chainmail, where new links (e.g., experiences, knowledge) are added, while old ones are destroyed (e.g., forgetting, changing opinions). What you are are these chains, and the "you" that you were as a baby probably shares no chains with who you are today. You're effectively different people. By the same logic, this transporter never kills anyone more than just living, because at any moment, your chains are slightly different than the chains a moment before, whether you have been in a transporter or not.
@Mathew Wang So my self is an illusion to myself? Aight.
The self changing doesn't mean that the self doesn't exist.
Now, is the self extremely difficult to define? Absolutely. We currently have no very coherent concept how a self can exist in a physical world. But just because we can't explain it (yet), doesn't mean it's nonexistent.
We can't explain how the experience of blue comes into the world, yet it's very cleary real.
Or you can go the Dennett route and just declare that consciousness is an illusion.
How that is coherent in any way, I have no idea.
"Maybe you're bed is a suicide machine, so sleep well tonight."
a few moments later:
THANKS FOR WATCHING
If I die when I sleep, how do I dream? so some part of me remains functional during that time
Okay..... so what is real and what is dream? How do you know?
It's still a break in consciousness. You do not step directly from real life into a dream. First you fall asleep.
Sleep seems more like amputation rather than suicide.
At the end, I laughed and thought, 'Interesting concept'
5 minutes of thought later.
*AAAAHHHHHH*
Jokes on the clone, I want to die.
Your clone wants to die too
That explains why my clone tries to go to sleep so desparately every time it wakes up.
RoLo LoLo step into my transporter!
Depression is our rite of passage
Aman
In his book The Physics of Star Trek, after explaining the difference between transporting information and transporting the actual atoms, Krauss notes that "The Star Trek writers seem never to have got it exactly clear what they want the transporter to do. Does the transporter send the atoms and the bits, or just the bits?" He notes that according to the canon definition of the transporter the former seems to be the case, but that that definition is inconsistent with a number of applications, particularly incidents, involving the transporter, which appear to involve only a transport of information, for example the way in which it splits Kirk into two versions in the episode "The Enemy Within" or the way in which Riker is similarly split in the episode "Second Chances". Krauss elaborates that: "If the transporter carries both the matter stream and the information signal, this splitting phenomenon is impossible. The number of atoms you end up with has to be the same as the number you began with. There is no possible way to replicate people in this manner. On the other hand, if only the information were beamed up, one could imagine combining it with atoms that might be stored aboard a starship and making as many copies as you wanted of an individual."
Above quote taken from:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_%28Star_Trek%29
I Like option #2
"if it cant be measured then it cant affect anthing so ockhams razor i away"
ok but
isnt that newtons razor?? also called newtons flaming laser sword?? because ockhams would be to assume that the easiest explanation is correct
5:01 "The first and only day" unless you have to study xD
I had more than 2 vitamin gummies so I'm fine.
Sleep well tonight... nice ending :-D Cheers! lol
Fancy seeing you here!
Oh look I'm now an insomniac
Woaahhhhhhh
Xisuma!!
Fancy seeing you here!
I did not expect seeing him comment on this video...
Tmw exploring transporters reveals that the metaphysical “spiritual” must exist
Welp, never going to sleep again, thanks for that!
By the video's ligic you will never go to sleep, cuz as soon as you will you'll die
Maybe that’s why we can die after just a few nights without sleep
“You can feel yourself in both places at once”
-Someone
The sweater is making me uncomfortable. Where is MY CGP GREY WITH HIS STICK BODY.
Kazoo The Kid
HE HAS EVOLVED INTO OMEGA CGREYP
Legendcraftian Gaming this isn't even his final form!
HERO MODE
snow fox Ikr
He went in the transporter
This video has much higher quality animations, good job! p
ps: sorry if someone already said the exact same thing.
"Just one more video before bed... let's see... ooh! A CP Grey I haven't seen! Let's watch that!" 5 minutes 44 seconds later "well crap..."
This was way to deep an episode than I signed up for
What if this is happening constantly? You have no way to prove the "you" from two milliseconds ago wasn't a different person.
Well thanks Grey i totally needed an existential crisis this early in the morning....
+ohahmenuts Refraining from using the transporter doesn't stop us from being cloned and transported because the passage of time has a similar effect on us. Instead of dying and being cloned and transported into another point in space we're constantly dying and being cloned and transported into next Planck time. We may not realize it because it's happening all the time, whether we're asleep or not. We perceive our lives as a single, smooth, continuous flow. But each Planck time a clone dies and a new clone is created with the memories of the previous one and transported into the next Planck time. Each Planck time clone is like a page in a flip book and the book is how we perceive our lives. So we are the sum of a seemingly infinite series of Planck time clone births and deaths.
Happy condolence everyone, have a good sleep
It's basically FPS for reality.
What If we die and a copy is made each time we blink our eyes? :00
Lindsay Baker I feel the same way at the exact same time
I'll just clone myself so that I can be everywhere at once. That'll probably end up as its own issue, but it's better than being destroyed and recreated somewhere else.
4:17
I still doubt that those deviants are conscious. It can be just Cyberlife's trick...
When I watched this video
I always agreed and was kind of scared until the part with is your bed a death machine, because every morning when I wake up It's still me my contionce. I thought the argument was that you die and another you is *born*.
This is probably very incomprehensive
Re: the ship analogy - I would say that as long as the crew is original, then it is the same ship.
How would you transformate that onto the human body? "As long as the million little organisms living on me are the same, I am the same"?
I see CGP Grey got a bigger budget and upgraded from stickfigures. Congratulations on the upgrade!
@Mr Lumpkins Idk I just learned that from these replies.
perhaps he licensed himself out?
+Braden Kemmerer He probably learned that he couldn't copyright stick figures, so switched to this.
+Braden Kemmerer He got a bigger budget that he spent on cake. So now he's too fat to be a stick figure. Cake is evil.
+Braden Kemmerer He was able to afford another dimension
quantum mechanics! You are a wavefunction, protected by no-cloning theorem
4:14 that moment is priceless!
5:07 now I need to go to school; I am watching this in the morning.
"I'll just watch one more video before bed"
Sorry to say this, but you've gained some weight, +CGP Grey...
+Bryan Weber There's a video on CGPGrey2, his secondary channel, which explains it. Maybe not in the way you'd expect, but in a much, much funnier way. :')
@Bryan Weber
You mean like the videos on his second channel that I was alluding to? :)
+Willem van de Beek This is to show that he is actually given up in the react stick figure licensing scheme.
He'll probably take the fact that you said 'weight' and not 'mass' as offensive because he's a physics teacher I think.
lol
There was an episode of The Outer Limits, “Think Like a Dinosaur” where advanced aliens gave us transportation devices. It worked by sending the information to a destination that made a copy of that person and then the “real” person is destroyed. There was a malfunction and the confirmation code wasn’t sent right away, so the “real” person wasn’t destroyed. Then they got the code and the human working there had to “balance the equation”. Could you kill a person knowing their copy exists?
Me: sis this is to scary
Little sis and i(watch xma s eve
I mean if it's my memories, it's me anyway. I'm just a collection of memories so in reality im still teleporting. Works for me.
“Who is you?” “You, is two”
To put at ease those who are afraid that sleeping kills your conscious self, remember that dreaming is a thing.
Even when not dreaming, you're still there, still processing information. You notice when your alarm goes off, and you wake up. If you didn't exist while sleeping, there wouldn't be anyone noticing the alarm. What's different during sleep is that instead of making a sort-of-continuous stream of new memories, you're doing something else, possibly consolidating existing medium-term memories into permanent memories.
@Some Guy You don't lose consciousness in sleep, ever. Unless you die in it.
But dreaming isnt you, it's not your concious mind doing the thinking. You could as accurately say dont worry your livers still doing stuff while you sleep. Neither the bulk of you brain nor your liver is "you" by any rational definition.
@Long Nguyen and when you do remember part of a dream that's all your doing, remembering. The dream happened while the concious you was gone, that's why people describe feeling helpless in a dream. It happened... then you remembered it happening. You weren't there to make decisions when the events happened. This is also why dreams have odd time frames, everything you might remember From a dream is dumped on your concious mind in the moments it transitions back into being.
@DrewLSsix The thing about dreams is that the first thing you dream you forget about it in another dream.
That type of thinking, could drive you crazy
Carson Barlow - 2016-09-26
And I told myself. "Okay, last video before bed."... dammit!
I'm very good at coming up with names - 2020-01-03
It may actyally be the last
pants - 2020-02-13
This is a tough one to stop at right before bed, that's for sure
dalmocalmo - 2020-02-15
Carson Barlow, have you read what your ex-ex-ex-ex-ex-ex-ex-ex-ex-ex-[...]-you wrote here three years ago? Nice ah? Goodnight! :)
super waluigi logan - 2020-03-17
carson it will be your last video (⌐■_■)
Joker pandroidc - 2020-03-21
Same!