> chemistry > métaux-alcalins > nurd-rage-lab-notes-making-sodium-metal > theory-test-for-alcohol-catalyzed-magnesium-reduction-of-sodium-nurdrage

(REUPLOAD) Progress Report: Theory Test for Alcohol Catalyzed Magnesium Reduction of Sodium

NurdRage - 2018-05-19

I have a very exciting progress report: I've successfully made sodium by the alcohol catalyzed magnesium reduction approach!

After many failures i decided to go to other end of the spectrum and try an experiment constructed under ideal conditions that would have far greater chances of working. While it would be thousands of times more expensive to make sodium this way, it would nonetheless prove or disprove whether it was possible. If it failed, it would show it was impossible or just very hard and thus not worth pursuing with my limited time. 

To do it, 10mL of 7-hexyl-7-tridecanol were placed in a flask with 0.5g sodium metal (to jump start the reaction). A reflux condenser was fitted over the flask and the contents heated until the sodium melted and dissolved. 3g of magnesium metal was added and heated for another 30 minutes. 4g of sodium hydroxide was added and heated for three hours. Tiny spheres of sodium formed as alcohol catalyzed the reaction of sodium hydroxide and magnesium metal. 

This was a success. And thus proves that we can make sodium this way and thus it's worth to keep trying for cheaper conditions.


Related videos: 

How to make tertiary alcohols by the grignard reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFQWD7-DCPI



Donate to NurdRage!
Through Patreon (preferred): https://www.patreon.com/NurdRage
Through Bitcoin: 1NurdRAge7PNR4ULrbrpcYvc9RC4LDp9pS

Glassware generously provided by http://www.alchemylabsupply.com/
Use the discount code "nurdrage" for a 5% discount.

Social media links:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/NurdRage
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NurdRageYoutube/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nurdrageyoutube/

NurdRage - 2018-05-19

No, you're not hallucinating. This is a reupload to fix an error. if you have already seen it you can skip it.

wolvenar - 2018-05-20

Well, I watched the first.. but not sure what error. :-/

Evan M. Jones - 2018-05-20

Is this is a totally different narration? In any case, Keep up the good work.

twocvbloke - 2018-05-20

I can skip it, but it's not a requirement, is it? :P

Gameboygenius - 2018-05-21

Speeder975 so you have all the good acids in your lab. Hydrochloric. Nitric. Sulphuric. Lysergic.

Speeder975 - 2018-05-24

Gameboygenius Truthfully, only citric. And lysergic.

Calyo Delphi - 2018-05-19

Just in case my original comment on the original video was lost, I DEFINITELY love seeing these kinds of progress reports. <3 They pretty much take what you previously would dismiss and disown as utter humiliating failure and waste of time and investment, and spin it as a much more constructive critique of what didn't work and why, and what to do differently to get better results.

I honestly feel like these sorts of progress reports are a huge opportunity to produce tons of useful and enlightening content for your viewers by giving us not just the polished and cleaned up results of your experiments, but also a detailed rundown of all your hard work in between. You might as well take the opportunity to get something out of your hard work and your mistakes!

Furthermore, these progress reports are immensely helpful to other amateur chemists who may be operating on an even tighter budget, and therefore need to be able to get the absolute most out of their time and money investment as possible. Knowing what peer amateur chems have done in the past that didn't work, or at least worked but may cost too much to be worth the effort, is a huge bonus for those who are working on shoestrings.

kahlzun - 2018-05-21

also shows true SCIENCE

Syntactyx - 2018-05-19

Ayye I'm never here this early! You're awesome, NurdRage. From a fellow chemist.

Rob Keown - 2018-05-19

Love seeing the real experimentation in the form of a progress report. Inspiring and looks really satisfying.

MalakiLab - 2018-05-20

Awesome. I am out of words. Seeing significant chemistry progress on YouTube is just pure gold. Thanks for sharing.

puckay - 2018-05-21

Ah, the warning :)

ilikemorestuff - 2018-07-04

Good to see you're making progress with it!

The Crude Lab - 2018-05-22

Dude use lamp oil for this experiment! I think it'll work

Prof Phil Bell - 2020-04-11

Did you consider the usual method of electrolysis? Nice work anyway and great persistence.

NurdRage - 2020-04-11

The point of the research was not to use electrolysis.

Prof Phil Bell - 2020-04-11

@NurdRage ok cool. That a tough one then. Hard to achieve and expensive. Good luck.

NurdRage - 2020-04-11

@Prof Phil Bell Actually we were successful. search "Make sodium with menthol"

Kerstin - 2018-05-20

<3

mauricio notari - 2018-10-05

Hello, I'm from Argentina and I'm using Google translator, so I hope you understand what I say, according to this logic, you could use directly magnesium + sodium hydroxide + cetyl alcohol (without using baby oil) and heat at a temperature higher than 100 ° C but lower than 200 ° C. and with this would not react so much sodium hydroxide with silicon dioxide? Greetings, you are a genius!

Benjamin Le Nerd - 2018-06-24

Well done!

SAMAR OMAR - 2019-05-13

Try electrolysis please

Frischimation - 2019-08-27

NurdRage, I'm glad that you figured out how you can make sodium using 7-hexyl-7-tridecanol as a solvent and an alcohol. There's just a little problem with that; doesn't sodium react with alcohols? Using a superheavy tertiary alcohol as a solvent might reduce yield, but it doesn't seem to inhibit the reaction very much...does it?

bastien CHAMPCIAUX - 2018-06-08

If water is present in your reaction medium, why the sodium metal produced is not gradually destroyed by it ?

NurdRage - 2018-06-09

it is.

osmanfb1 - 2018-05-21

Nice update. Did you look into motor oil bases like Pentaerythritol? These are also kinda large molecules. Maybe you can use the motor oil by itself without getting rid off the additives.

The Crude Lab - 2018-05-23

how large does the carbon chain got to be for this to work? so im thinking kerosene coz it has 10 to 16 carbon chain

_aesthetic - 2018-05-27

rip in peace to that spider

Yacob Gugsa - 2018-05-25

You said that 7-Hexyl-7-Tridecanol was engineered to be the perfect alcohol that was both a catalyst and solvent. Does that mean the discovery and synthesis of 7-Hexyl-7-Tridecanol falls under the domain of chemical engineering?

ElFranches - 2018-05-19

you're going crazy with sodium metal

Wave Man - 2018-05-19

What's next? Recover sodium metal using tequila?

ElFranches - 2018-05-19

Wave Man jaja using bigmacs

Mike Chambers - 2018-06-12

Supermodels everywhere are #devastated!

William Ackerson - 2018-05-20

Ok

The Crude Lab - 2018-05-20

this is reuploaded again???

The Crude Lab - 2018-05-20

what does the letter R mean?

CptTiitus - 2018-05-22

I think it means that in the place of that R there is a long carbon chain.

Pig Eater 5000 - 2018-05-19

3rd