Mentour Pilot - 2024-12-14
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You just can't design a plane that flies itself into the ground after a single hardware fault and expect people not to be mad about it.
They didn’t. MCAS never remotely behaved this way before, because even American Airlines isn’t this goddamn lax about maintenance and safety.
@JarMomErikaforgive me, what does American airlines have to do with this?
@JarMomErikaNo, this was a disastrous design flaw where a single point of failure could trigger a self-escalating failure mode.
Coupled with Boeing marking its own homework, it is the worst sort of engineering design failure.
@muzza_r All failures start at a single point. When used to describe a design, single point of failure indicates a failure that directly or via a cascade of failures causes the inexorable and catastrophic failure of the system or the mission. Inexorable means without the possibility of human or systemic intervention. In this case, MCAS caused a runaway stabilizer condition which pilots are trained to detect and to execute the simple procedure to stop it. So this failure was not a design defect that could be characterized as a single point of failure. In fact, there was no design defect at all. You may be unaware of the fact that there are a number of failures (besides MCAS) that can trigger the trim system into runaway operation. Your comment about Boeing marking its own homework indicates that you are only educated by social media. Get a real education in the subject, then you won't have to regurgitate the news media's nonsense and look like a fool.
@JarMomErika Don't try to play this down. There was two simple things needed for this not to be a problem and that was to inform pilotes about the system with instructions how to switch it of as well as informing them when it will kick in and how hardware defects could influence its functioning and what was to do in such a case, combined with automatic a comparison between both angle of attack sensors which would automatically deactivate the system when it detected a big enough discrepancy. Yes, they could not have sold it as requiring no training but it would have been easy to prevent these accidents. They just happened out of commercial pressure and greed.
When safety is a "pay extra option" for a company and not standard package. Run.
If I understood the video correctly, making the AoA disagree light optional was an accident, and Boeing was planning to restore it to all planes with a software update.
@VOIP4MEplanning to, but it never was their priority, money was.
@VOIP4METhis is correct. They also didn’t tell anyone about this until after the Lion Air crash. So they were selling a plane that was different to its approved spec.
It should be headline news whenever an airline chooses to decline the "extra safety at additional cost" option.
@cjburian1 Again, Boeing’s manuals and spec said that the indicator should be there as standard. The only optional extra was the AoA display. So the airlines didn’t know they weren’t getting the AoA disagree which is important to safety. Boeing also didn’t tell anyone about this deviation from spec until after Lion Air.
These deserve to be aired on primetime TV, production is far far better than anything I've seen on. It's factually correct too! Great job Petter!
Thank you Samuel! Let me know what you think when you have finished watching it as well.
@MentourPilot for sure!! Will be watching it this evening 😁
I think maybe it’s abit too technical for general tv but it’s definitely higher in quality than a lot of tv shows :)
@Moon_x_sun it depends on which channel it's televised I guess, you see these aircraft investigations or 3 part specials that are just as long. Either way, we love to see the content 😁!
@samueldennis8343 that’s probably true I just feel like in general tv they usually explain things in even simpler terms than Petter (he is still good at explaining tho just doesn’t “over” explain as much) :) I agree tho it’s great content he makes and I love watching it
Omg they put some of the vital instruments behind a pay wall 😭
This reminds me of an old programming joke.
A programmer, a systems analyst, and an hardware engineer are car-sharing to get to work. During the commute the brakes on the car fail. The driver manages to stop the car before it crashes and the three colleagues get out to discuss what to do next. The hardware engineer says "We should tear down the braking system, find the fault, and fix it." The systems analyst disagrees and says "No, we should diagnose the issue using the maintenance manual. Once we know what could be causing the failure, we can go right to the correct system and fix it!" The programmer listens in horror and says "Look the car is clearly not showing any problems right now. Let's just get back in and drive to see if the problem reoccurs."
LOL
The interesting thing about that is how often faults do occur on a hardware level, but are assumed to be occurring on a software level. And since we have less and less people these days that are capable of understanding hardware and have not been trained on it, often the default approach is to fix the software. And once no faults are found, they proceed. Very scary stuff.
@mediocreman2IMO a contributing factor to less and less people understanding hardwares is the hardwares we use today get more and more complex especially with a complex machine like airplane.
Honestly this and similar stories are baffling to me; they are struggling to maintain pitch, the main/strongest determinant of pitch is the trim, yet they don't actually discuss (captain) or realize (FO) the trim abnormalities while pulling at crazy high pounds of pressure. Bizarre. And happened many times with different variations.
@SR-xv8de I think the main reason is that they couldn't see the exact value of trim position on the screen. And they had no time to look at it in hardware. So if you're not aware it could get worse by itself, you won't do any large corrections to the value. It looked more like the vertical stabilizer was going to break soon because of their 'trim up' corrections.
My lyft driver yesterday told me he’s beginning his training as a commercial pilot soon. I got to geek out about this channel to him and about how helpful it’s been to me from the passenger/general educational side. I hope he checks it out.
That mustve been a fun ride!
He’s going to have to learn that you can’t completely disregard the rules in order to make up time.
He’s going from Lyft to lift
I hope you felt safe in the car :)
@Moon_x_sunHe was given an extensive safety briefing before departure. Reassuring, but missed his appointment!!
Ok. I’m no airline engineer…BUT…if I installed new flight assisting hardware into a commercial passenger jet…notifying the pilots about it would be pretty high on my list.
Boeing didn’t want anyone to know, because that would require extra training, which is extra cost
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@electrictroy2010Well, Boeing and the airlines
@electrictroy2010 capitalism in a nutshell sheesh gotta maximise them profits
imagine you buying a new car, and the handling of it changed, and it intervenes automatically while you're driving, and you have no idea about it?? Crazy stuff
To note: as it's explained here, it would seem the MCAS here was merely supposed to counter-act the effects of the design change. The whole point of it was to make sure that it handled the same way. For all regular situations it would make no difference.
But because it had such a minor impact on flight, they never considered the "what does this do if X problem also occurs" situation. Moreover, even if something did go wrong, pilots should already have known what to (roughly) do about it.
Perhaps by the video, that's also kinda correct. The previous day's crew had the same problem, did their job, quickly isolated the issue and took the correct steps. They didn't need the technical details to do that. Key question is why they didn't note down the stabilizer problem in their flight log... perhaps suggesting it was so minor and easy to deal with, that they didn't feel the need?
As a 737 pilot I watched this video with regards to the title. Off course I knew what happened here but decided to watch it anyway. There was indeed a fact that I did not know and that was the poor performance of the first officer. ( especially with 4000 hrs plus) Please young boys and girls: you are managing a high performance machine. Do not become a pilot because it looks fancy with your friends and on instagram. KNOW your stuff and keep re-studying it. We can all make mistakes but not knowing the most important items in your books is unforgivable. Thank you Peter for another job well done. I already have a lot of friends that abandoned Nat Geographic and switched to Mentour.
I think it's like a specialised doctor, who also need to have a passion for what they do, and to become as proficient and as they can. What other people think of it, the prestige, must be a very remote afterthought.
During lectures when my professor shares his screen I can see his YouTube and it’s often paused on a mentour pilot video
Awesomeness
Thankfully not PornHub!
that's funny. What subject is your professor teaching?
@pimacanyon6208 human factors in aviation
@pimacanyon6208 Humans and Aviation. Mostly about the pilot error and accident model aspect of commercial aviation
I've never seen any science or documentary videos like these. You've set a bar so high I find it hard to put into words. The level of respect and sensitivity to the people involved, the lack of exploitation of tragedy, the skill of making science understandable yet fully accurate, and the engagement with the audience. I hope others will learn from you. I'm able to let my kids watch these and know they are going to learn science, respect, and not develop fears.
Thank you.
Agreed. This one is a stunner.
@knightmarecityk What you said. 100%
U can check also mayday: air crash investigation or disaster
@gabipascu5388we're all here because we can't deal with the dramatization and nonsense from those exact shows
why have you watched the other ones of they were ©®@p? : )
I have a short attention span and typically struggle to watch videos over 10 minutes or so, but when I see a Mentour video that's over an hour long, I know I can eagerly and attentively watch the whole thing in one sitting.
That’s great to hear!
Same here!!!
Mentour's diction is so good, that listening at 1.25x speed s never a problem, even when multitasking.
you need a 2nd screen and a gaming addiction.. you think I sit here for an hour paying attention lel.. background noise
Ditto
I found these during COVID and told everyone I could. Petter had his dogs on the couch and he did these to supplement his income when no planes were flying. He was alone until more people watched and now he has a whole team. Kudos.
OMG i remember that time too i think i was around 9 at the time also curious on how his dogs are doing
@vighyatoys5777 you were WHAT
@nader50752this was my reaction too … 😂
@nader50752 Thank you, Mister Prime Minister of Canada, for making me feel so old. —the late Queen Elizabeth to Justin Trudeau
As a software engineer, it never ceases to amaze me how, albeit in a much lower severity level, of course, a lot of the factors that contribute to these accidents can be correlated with incidents in my field of work: design flaws, environmental factors, under-training, poor communication, deviation normalization, confirmation bias, subtle incapacitation, the Swiss cheese model, you name it. I can say your videos really help me to be better at my job by knowing these factors and trying my best to overcome them as they arise. Thanks a lot!
Ahhh…Swiss Cheese!
Another fan of Hoover!
This is because most management see information technology in general and software development in particular as a cost, not a benefit. Therefore the work is given to the lowest bidder. The fact their entire business and their reputation is in the hands of said low-bidders never enters their tiny minds.
@Ira88881That’s not a Hoover thing, dude.
@pisymbol Yeah, to be honest I didn't know about the existence of this dude until Ira88881's comment.
Same! (Software engineer here as well)
The way Boeing handled this situation is unforgivable. 😢
Not really. Normally manufacturers aren’t attacked for relatively minor software mistakes when accidents are a result of bordering criminal negligence by airline maintenance.
The pilots should have been told MCAS existed at least.
@JarMomErikaBoeing’s MCAS killed them not maintenance
@JarMomErika Another Boeing apologist. You wonder how many people they have to kill before these kind of people will actually blame them.
@JarMomErika - Sure, if Pontiac made a software change that yanks the steering wheel hard to the right under certain conditions and if a car crashed because of that, you'd sue the car wash that didn't clean the antenna well enough or the fuel company because the fuel was 0.1% percent off in its "lead" amount but, under no circumstances, would you look at Pontiac and that minor software bug. How much Boeing stock do you hold?
As an Indonesian I'm very happy that you do some due diligence on pronouncing the city name. Also love the details about the miscalibration of AoA sensor mentioned because I never really heard this pointed out quite clearly in mainstream media
Same. From the way you hear MCAS hyped up, you’d think it was this killer software that randomly activated and forced the nose down for no reason.
@princessroyal80it was designed to cut costs and lower engine power making it cheaper
Norak lo blog
FYI, mainstream media all over the world never quite clearly pointing facts.
Why your name Timothy?
Fun fact. The P8 utilizes MCAS as well and when the US Navy reviewed the specifics of the the P8 design, including the avionics systems, they identified MCAS as a single point of failure and demanded Boeing reprogram MCAS to utilize both AOA sensors. This was before the MAX entered service.
Thats just common sense. My eyes widened when I heard that.
Who is so stupid to just reference one source of Information when the safety of ppl depends on it?
@ra1d3r34 Boeing apparently.
why didn't this make it to the FAA or into Boeing's own records? This video is amazing but I am also finding myself wanting way more detail and answers on the "why's" and "how's" but am just a lay person and doubt reading any reports would be helpful for me.
Fun fact. The P-8 Poseidon is based on the 737NG, NOT the Max. It does NOT have MCAS, you are thinking of the KC-46 Pegasus which is based on the 767, also the KC-46 is operated by the AIR FORCE, not the Navy.
My goodness how did the first officer ever get his license?? Completely unprepared for the job
Yes. Also the captain not adjusting to his stupidity was a contributing factor. I know I would get really mad just like him if I encountered such incompetence abruptly during an emergency, but had the captain tried to guide the first officer rather than just handing over the controls things might have ended up differently.
I was a production assistant intern in one of the national news channel there. I was called to assist reporting team to Tanjung Priok where the aircraft wreckage and passenger remains were collected. There were families of the victims, NTSB agents working with KNKT, all national and some international press come to cover the news, Indonesian Navy with BASARNAS sailing back and forth to the port. I can smell the deceased's belongings combined with the saltwater and hydraulic oil. Clothes, bags, torn shoes and stuffed animals. Some people from my studio even showed me a picture of a foot still intact in a shoe, the skin color is pale white. It was the most memorable and humbling day for me. I couldn't imagine what the families of the victims felt/feel and I will never understand it. I hope this video gave them peace, to understand in memory of their loved ones.
I can feel how traumatic this experience must have been.🙏
Considering you got criticism (and to an extent rightly so) every time you had a betterhelp sponsorship, I think more thanks should be given to you now that you no longer take sponsorships from them.
Thank you
Why are you still bringing that up 🙄
He should be thanked for stopping doing harm. Weird take.
What’s betterhelp?
@pjaypender1009 hes being thanked for listening and doing something about it.
As a software engineer there's SO many things about this that are terrifying. There's SO many different things that could have been used as inputs to trigger a "disable the system and throw warning alarms" such as not automatically trimming farther down when it gets mismatched values, overspeed, repeated contradictory inputs (the pilot countering it over and over) in short periods of time. And that's without fully understanding all the functions just things that come to mind!
Sadly as a fellow programmer I know that these things are obverses partly because we are in/watching the situation unfold, when you head down in the office it's harder to think about all these little fault possibilities. Not to say it's impossible to predict but the time is often not taken to think things through. (edit clarity)
At 10,000 FPM decent rate, yoke fully back, it still pitched down.
Even GPWS activation didn't make it stop pulling the plane down
@CalvinB_ Sadly as an unemployed kids entertainer, whos currently typing this while taking a sh** in the bathroom, I totally agree!
As a former stewardess for Icelandair for many years without any serious incidents I find your videos terrifying and exhilarating at the same time. It is like looking at horror movie and not being able to stop looking. I love your calm voice and Norwegian accent. Thank your for all your hard work on this.
Thank you for watching!! (And the accent is Swedish 😉)
With a Spanish twang!!😅
I flew a lot shorter than you and still I agree.
CRM can safe so much but knowledge is required for it.
@MentourPilot oh ok sorry for the confusion. I lived in Sweden (Kalmar) for few years in the ´70 - Love Beautiful Sweden.
@iceprincessone7168 Kalmar isn't what it used to be!
I remember when this and the Ethiopian crashes first happened, one of my first questions was "has an erroneous MCAS activation ever been dealt with successfully?" And the answer here is quite shocking, that it was done on the accident aircraft literally the flight before the accident flight. Awesome job as usual
yes. it's too bad though that Boeing had completely hidden MCAS from pilots because even though the crew successfully dealt with the MCAS problem on the flight before this one, they didn't know the real cause, didn't know about MCAS and the fact that it was a faulty AOA sensor (and a horrifically poor and dangerous design of MCAS) that caused the problem.
@pimacanyon6208 Indeed. It seems as if even the Captain of the previous flight thought therefore that something with the airspeed indicator would cause the problem, resulting in not notifying the trim issues he had faced, what caused then the accident crew to be totally startled when the problems reoccured.
You simply can´t fix a problem when you don´t know what is causing it.
@pimacanyon6208 Guess what is hidden on page 748 of the System Differences Manual. You should think about checking before taking your guess.
@NicolaW72 exactly
@igorluiz9551 pure speculation and I'm not going there. My point was that the crew on the prior flight might have identified the cause of the problems they encountered if they knew about MCAS and how it worked. Obviously, if they had identified the cause as the faulty AOA sensor and maintenance replaced that sensor, then the crew of the crash flight would not have encountered the problem.
As an Indonesian, this accident was very close to my heart. My grandpa was flying to the same destination, on the same day, with the same airline, albeit the very next flight. It is not a good feeling when you think your significant loved ones suddenly perished in the sea, let alone living in one. To all of the passengers and crew who lost their lives in the flight, may they rest in peace. To their families, I hope this video essay brings you peace. Not only to the families, but to the whole aviation community both flight crew and aviation enthusiast. Let this accident and Ethiopia flight 302 into a strong reminder in the aviation community.
My dad was in Sam Ratulangi airport waiting for the Adam Air flight that never came. It does scary to think about it.
@MultiDivebomberwhen was it? i was recently at sam ratulangi airport (almost 2 days ago actually) because i live near there. got kinda hyped for some reason knowing your dad was at sam ratulangi
@doctrinair when Adam Air crashed in 2007
So glad your grandpa wasn’t on that plane.
@MultiDivebomber i see, thank you still
Software developer here: The MCAS system is a software-solution to an engineering problem.
Or in short: "Not a great plan."
A nice touch, noticeable but very small, is your opening credits. For those viewers who don't fully realize the extent and makeup of your team, this really shows that it's not just you that handles these videos. It allows us to appreciate everybody who's been involved, and I think that is an excellent thing. Kudos to the entire team, for every video.
Thanks for noticing!
Could u point time for me? I cant find
I didn't know anything about this accident and had assumed the first flight where MCAS activated was the accident flight. I was utterly flabbergasted to learn that the aircraft wasn't immediately grounded for a thorough technical investigation, but instead flew (and crashed) the next day.
Yep, there is a lot of things people didn’t know about this flight
yeah, this pretty much proves that while MCAS was a contributing factor, pilot error and failure to follow trim runaway memory items, Which is only 4 or 6 items depending on the result of item 4, was the primary cause. There is even a small fold out handle built into the trim wheel to get better leverage when trimming it manually. In both MAX crashes the pilots both turned back on the electric stab trim which is expressly prohibited after a trim runaway. Memory Item 6: STAB TRIM CUTOUT switches (both)................................................CUTOUT
Same here, I didn't know about the first successfully mitigated issue
@dalgrim but MCAS is not the same as “trim run-away”
A trim-runaway is when the trim wheel is spinning continuously without pilot’s input.
MCAS activation will only move the trim wheel intermittently and NOT continuously like in the case of a trim runaway.
MCAS activation will initially mimic the normal trim operation from the autopilot. There is NO possible cue to the pilot that MCAS was activating at all.
The only sign of MCAS activation to the pilot is literally when they start seeing the ground more than he see the sky.
It is absolutely unrealistic to expect pilots to immediately recognised MCAS activation as a “trim-run away”
Note that MCAS activation is usually a result of another failure on a crucial flight data system such as pitot tube failure or AOA sensor failure, for example.
The pilots are already under tremendous workload even without MCAS activation…
Imagine flying while trying to figure out which airspeed readings are reliable in the cockpit after AOA sensor failure and then you start seeing more ground than the sky outside the windshield without touching any controls all the while the plane is yelling all sort of warning sounds at you.
And that they “fixed” the issue with an AoA sensor that was allowed to be off in calibration by 21 degrees. I know Peter said that was allowed, but I have no idea how. Kind of an important sensor. We aren’t talking 1 or 2 degrees off. 21 freaking degrees off.
I want you to know I actually use these videos for leadership training at my job at a steel mill. It may not seem related, but I've found major benefits discussing CRM style leadership with my people, and I have seen benefits to it. Thank you from America!
Im so happy to hear that as I’m working on creating just a course like that
@MentourPilotthat’s super cool. I for one would be very interested in taking this course for me and my team! We work in a creative field without real risks like this but still so useful.
I have to agree. As an assistant manager in a very chaotic warehouse environment I find that the lessons in your video just generally, translate to good leadership principles to follow in ANY environment where a poor decision can result in severe injury
The principles of CRM and a taking a proactive, collaborative approach to safety are nearly universally applicable. Even those of us who have nothing to do with aviation can clearly see how these lessons can apply to our own jobs and lives. My own job is about as far from safety-critical as it can get, but I still find myself thinking about how some of these same principles can help me be more effective.
The way that aviation investigations aim to learn from an incident rather than focus on "who can we blame/prosecute for this" could possibly also be adopted in other industries. It leads to far more cooperation with the investigation.
This appears to have recently been lost, with the Boeing Alaska 1282 investigation, with months of "we're not going to tell you who are the members of the team that worked on it". That's presumably shop floor level people, sticking together because they don't trust that Boeing won't be looking for someone to put the blame on, when the blame no doubt lies much higher up. (Not so much that they don't trust the investigation, more that they don't trust Boeing not to be looking for a "little person" to throw to the wolves and that lack of trust in how their employer will treat them has resulted in a lack of cooperation with an investigation, that's pretty unusual for an aviation investigation).
I am a family member of one of the JT610 cabin crew. My sister and her best friend were victims on that flight🥲. Actually, there was 1 engineer, 2 pilot and 9 cabin crew members on board, 3 of whom were still in training when that incident happened.
I hope the B737 Max court case that occurred on JT610 and ET302 can be fully resolved next year, as this tragedy occurred several years ago and Boeing can cooperate to resolve it. Lastly, I hope that similar incidents will not happen in the future☺️
Rest in peace ❤
Amiin. Turut bertakziah mas, semoga keluarga diberikan ketabahan dan kekuatan. Semoga kejadian semacam ini tidak terulang pada siapapun dan di manapun. 🙏
This is so terrible to hear—may she rest in peace 😢.
Turut berdukacita 🙏
Your sister was a hostess on the plane and her best friend was also traveling on that a plane? Was that a coincidence or???
3:32 ‘airbus 737-900 er’ cracked me up. Great content
Yeah😂 probably an error
Video editor will be getting email from Petter
There will be an investigation of this tragedy and Petter will wait on the final report to post a video about this😂
Wait, what am I missing? afaik that’s what they (Lion Air) actually call it.
@lokifrostpaw2976 Really? They called it an airbus 737?
This whole sequence of events was more complex than I realized. I didn't know how big a role the maintenance played, or that the earlier flight had the same issue but was able to correct it... and then didn't tell the next crew how. I've always thought that the best kind of rules are the ones you're given a good explanation for, and the more I watch this channel, the more right I think I am about that. Excellent stuff, truly. Top-tier, not just for the YouTubes, but for media in general. Incredible work.
Indeed. The Mayday episode covered the previous MCAS issue, but Petter did a great job of expanding on it.
Don't forget the staggering level of incompetence all around 🤦♂️
no one know about mcas except boeing. Mcas knowing kick in in high altitude not in low altituted(FAA certification)
The Ethiopian one crashed about 100 miles off of where I live and the fact that it could've been prevented both times pisses me off
Yeah.. it’s quite frustrating
Muslims talking about accident prevention ☠️☠️☠️
@rex77xyou aren’t serious
I think this is so often the case when we look back at accidents that should and could have been avoided. It’s highly frustrating that this was known about and not handled properly, angering that those who should have been certifying the aircraft shirked on their own work taking away all the oversight that was meant to be there to keep everyone safe, disgusting that profits came at the expense of safety, and heartbreaking that those who pay for it with their lives simply had nothing more that bad luck on their side.
To make it worse, both accidents occurred after a documentary had been made with undercover investigative journalists having actually filmed Boeing staff saying they would never want to fly on the 787 because they wouldn’t feel safe, knowing the kind of practices that have been ongoing in the company, especially after moving production to Charleston, South Carolina where staff are not unionised and were being compared to cheap hires fresh out of a McDonald’s job. I feel like that level of reporting (done by Al Jazeera and worth a watch to all that haven’t seen it) should have been enough to trigger deeper investigation into Boeing by the FAA, but they remained complicit and, whilst it wasn’t the Dreamliner nor the lithium battery fire risk on that plane that turned out to be the straw that broke the camel’s back, it sadly felt like anything coming out of Boeing thereafter was a ticking time bomb as so much remained ignored.
@thegreyarea-WPP Indeed, exactly.
imagine having to pay for the warning indicator DLC
You dropped this just as I'm about to board a 10 hour flight. I don't care, I downloaded it to watch during the flight!
Have a good trip!
Where to
I did same thing two weeks ago lol, while going to Tenerife, video was about accident on Tenerife too
Reminds me of the in-flight movie from "Airplane".
LOL -- as far as I can tell, this video posted within an hour of me getting a notice that my flight was delayed due to an equipment swap. From an A320...to a 737 MAX 8.
I seriously considered downloading it to watch during the flight, but decided that would be inconsiderate of nervous fliers.
Airline Pilot and former mechanic at a major airline here. Mentour my deepest respect to you and your team for such a well documented and narrated story from both the technical and professional side. I learned a lot from watching this one!! Thanks
I wonder how often a brand new part and one of the major sensors at that, can be faulty.
@so_zemlji The real problem was the replacement part was not properly calibrated. I mean 27 degrees wrong???? On a jet airliner that is crazy. Even 2 degrees would make a ridiculous descent rate, but 27 degrees is the kind of movement a fighter jet in combat would make.
@so_zemljii wonder the one on Amazon is really new or refurbished?
@ That was the problem also. But to have brand new part fail on multiple air crafts is just unacceptable.
Man, You beat yourself with this video. As an ex cameraman, tv&media bussines man, congrats to how you and team present this. Watch all of yours Pilot stories, and hope so, can not wait for another. Wish you all the best in new year, clear sky and more great videos. All the best from Serbian guy, from Luxembourg.
Thank you so much for that feedback!! It means a lot, coming from a cameraman!
The way Petter pronounces the word papa puts a smile on my face in every video where he says it
whoever on your team is responsible for putting in the b-roll at 13:03 is a legend; "This should have raised flags for the maintenance engineers" cuts to engineers taking a selfie.
👁️ 👄 👁️
Lmao
I saw that too. Was very quick but hilarious 😂
As a 737 pilot- this is by far the best and most centric explanation of the Lion Air crash- i would also challenge you to cover the Alaska Air 737M9 door failure as well which also has a similar sequence of events which would have prevented the incident. Great job as always.
Thank you!
He covered it already i think :) wasnt it 1208?
Nevermind it´s 1282 but he did actually cover it 9 months ago
This guy is an airline captain, but still does this intense research for us. What a pilot!
He is not airlines captain anymore. He resigned from Ryanair
@DiogoOliveira-u1j Given that he was more than just a captain, I think even with the time since last command, he basically is still at a captain level lmao
He actually was not "just" a captain, he was a type rating instructor for the Boeing 737, so he taught other pilots in his airline about all the different systems a Boeing 737 and did simulator training with them. That's why he can pretty confidently judge when pilots are getting overwhelmed or what pilots might think when they did something unexpected, he observed hundreds, possibly even more than a thousand, pilots behaving in the simulator under stressful conditions.
But he resigned I think last year or earlier this year to fully focus on Mentour Pilot
If you think there isn't a team behind this then you're mistaken
@ThomasIsBored Sure, there must be a team but it's still no easy task doing what he does.
A warning labeled MAJOR but being standard to deal with as low risk seems absolutely insane
Typical management-based issue. The engineers put it at MAJOR, but the management only sees "level 3 of 4". It is incredibly hard to communicate the real severity of issues to the typical management person without actually lying.
For example, if you tell them an event is "unlikely" with consequences of "catastrophic", they only hear "unlikely" and ignore it. Same thing the other way around. And then comes someone with all the newest management theories fresh from uni, introduces a standardised risk management system and that unlikely/catastrophic event gets classified as "major"...and it still gets ignored because there's all the stuff at higher levels, meaning those lower risk levels are harmless, aren't they?
That's why managers with an engineering background are so popular with engineers. They understand that. Sadly, getting rid of those was what Boeing did after that infamous merger...
@HenryLoenwind this is true in every engineering department, including software.
I have seen software and/or project managers brushing off issues and only register the word "unlikely " but what the dev(s) told them are the issue "is unlikely but can lead to catastrophic issues". All they want is to get shit done in perfect or before deadline even if it means cutting back on some quality controls or worse, remove the quality controls.
When the catastrophe does happen, they wash their hands claiming that the devs were negligent. I hate it when they don't take any responsibility.
This is why I'd like a manager where he/she had some engineering experience.
@cmaxz817 Unfortunately, even when they have experience, they often lose touch/get an air of superiority about them that causes them to somehow be WORSE. Best managers I knew were the sort that came into management right off the bat - but knew that they didn't know how to do anyone's job. They respected their people, listened to their needs, and did their best to organize them for effectiveness and get their people what they needed...= no businesstalk corporate bullshit, no textbooks - this was real management. They also took the hits when upper ups tried to mess with them, and kept their people in the loop. They also weren't too buddy-buddy and stood their ground when bad actors tried to take advantage of them. They were professional but respectful and wanted to do their best, so that their people were at their best.
It's amazing what just simple respect can do to a failing department.
I'd never flown in an aircraft until recently. Im almost 50 years old and had never really been out of Perth Western Australia that was until my partner took me to South Africa to see her family last year. I didn't tell her and probably won't but getting on that plane is was sweating bullets and truly terrified. Before we went though id seen lot's of your content and even before taking off i could hear your calming voice inside my head. This put me at ease and while i was scared the belief in the pilots and plane helped immensely.
My trip to South Africa was out of this world and now i can't wait to go back..
My point is I'm incredibly grateful 🙏 for your channel putting my heart at ease. Thank you..
This is heartbreaking. It sounds like the captain, sick and not at his best, was basically alone in the cockpit of a faulty aircraft. The odds were stacked against him. The first officer should not have been allowed to fly as in any emergency he would be no help at all, doubling the captains work load, especially compared to any competent first officer
I am not as angry at the MCAS as I am at the first officer. Yes, the first officer should not have been allowed to fly.
The pilots didn’t follthere training. According to an article in Flying Magazine, the6 could be heard on the cockpit voice recorder praying to Allah, instead of just reaching down and
Ishing two button to the off position to disconnect the MCAS.
I have a friend who is a ca
Rain in Southwest max and he said it is that simple to go back to hand flying. Look at the Airbus Air France crash over the At.antic, NO flying skills, all computerized and when they fail, fundamentals alwas6 get you through. I fly Cessna and an organization I fly them we’ve had three of the flight computers go out while in flight, and yes, fundamental got the pilots through a swell as excellent training.
Yes the higher mounted engine is an issue, but not insurmountable.
@VugarYagubov-ov6mk Given the context of the Ethiopian crash, I’m definitely more mad at the MCAS and Boeing. Yes the copilot was incompetent, but they were put in this situation because of Boeing’s greed. Skimping on the safety of your passengers to make a buck is a much worse crime than being bad at your job imo. Both are bad, one is worse.
I agree. However handing over die controls to him and not telling about about the constant trim adjustment, and not reacting when the first officer indicates that he has problemls keeping the nose up is also a pretty poor performance of the captain.
Thanks for covering this one
This crash is very personal to me as the aircraft destination is to my hometown(yes, my Howmetown is Pangkalpinang, Bangka Belituung)
And some of the passengers are peoples that my parents personally know
6:40 That's SHOCKING! Boeing removed a critical warning system unless you paid for an optional extra! HULK SMASH!
I mean from what i know Airbus did the same with their A330 at a time so it seems to be something common in manufacturing ig
Although the fault on the side of Boeing is now clear, it’s still shocking to me that the obviously broken plane was allowed to take off. While MCAS is the common cause for JT610 and ET302, still the systemic problem of ignoring and incorrectly repairing malfuctions is a common factor for JT610 and SJ182.
Correct.. things are Always more complicated than they seem
Indeed. And you can add to this Air Asia Indonesia Flight 8501 and Sriwijaya Flight 182. - It seems (at least to have) been a common aviation problem (at least) in Indonesia.
To be honest, the problem on SJ182 was not fatal at all. It was just a problem with autothrottle which can be disabled until permanent fix is implemented. The problem lies on both Pilots which failed to do their scan. How can they missed such large difference between the two thrust lever angle...
I think the worst part is how heartbreakingly close they got to preventing the fault from happening. If the lead engineer had said “You know what let’s check it here” maybe the story would’ve ended differently.
Where was the test flight? Why would that not be mandatory for these types of automated systems?
As one of your Patreon crew, I am not surprised at how thorough and thought-prooking thiis is, I am glad to support the work you do!
You’re right thiis really is thought-prooking
@WAFC Careful that you are not prooking anger with your comment.
As per usual, the moment I see a new Mentour Pilot video, I immediately start watching without any research.
I’ve made that mistake on some of these “air disaster” videos only to find it’s a fake voice, and the story is not only hard to believe, they have many facts wrong.
Not so with Mentour. He’s always on point, and makes these easy to understand
20:26 I love how the risk classification is Major but that's a lower category lool.
Like they literally have to be like aircraft exploding to be higher than major. That's so wild
Thank you! As an airspace engineer, pilot and aircraft accident investigator… is great how you have treated this: factual, clear, impartial and precise….Thanks and waiting to the next video. Congrats on this great work
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@LizFarrell-p7b - 2024-12-14
Did Petter just send a heart to his own message? Petter please say hi to my son Jared and make his day. Thanks in advance
@NorwayT - 2024-12-14
24:35 — I had to play the 'Petter Shaker' twice! 😂 Hilarious graphics to illustrate the Stick Shaker! 😂
@Powerranger-le4up - 2024-12-14
Could you also do Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 as well? Ethiopian Airlines had trained their pilots on the emergency procedure for MCAS after Lion Air but the procedure didn’t work.
Edit: Never mind. You said it will be your next video. Hopefully, you can clarify some things on this one since the NTSB and BEA reports seem to think that the pilots are to blame as well even though they followed the correct procedure and Boeing never mentioned the role that speed would play in turning off MCAS.
@Hreimr - 2024-12-14
@31:12 Could that be due to training that every switch you throw while using the plane has to be set back to standard before handing off the plane?
For locomotives that is how we do - and then we report (and thus make it visible to other train drivers) the issues and what might have caused it, this way it can be investigated by the technicians.
@Hreimr - 2024-12-14
Oh wait - he forgot key issues and descriptions - that's why...