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VCl4 from Vanadium metal and Chlorine

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

I spend my holidays with my good friend chlorine. We do some awful vanadium chemistry, but there is pretty colours, so it's easy to forgive.
Gayest Person on YouTube's Vanadium thermite video: https://youtu.be/LsdesMWC37g

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General HiPing - 2020-01-12

his waste management plan: "Let future me worry about it."

fireworkstarter - 2020-01-13

@Extractions&Ire why not plate the copper or make it into an oxide or carbonate?

chris - 2020-06-16

@ClickThisToSubscribe only if you dump it in the storm drain

bromiso valum - 2020-07-25

@ClickThisToSubscribe electroplating is a very good idea, or at least precipitate as a water-insoluble salt (oxide, carbonate, sulfide etc)

Laird Cummings - 2020-08-04

"Future Me" is everyone's cleanup guy. One busy dude; so much shit he's got to handle.

Black Roberts - 2022-05-22

Nature's Bin

Euler - 2020-01-12

love your vids.
i am now an old chemist. hard time believing some of the stuff i did as a young one.
you bring back good memories for me, thanks.
strangely enough, i got tired of chemistry in the 2000's and went into a totally different career. but chemistry hooks a person. still like watching vids on it. think yours are the best.

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

If you become an old chemist, that means you were a good chemist, right! Glad you like the videos!

Palerider1942 - 2020-01-12

I would love to see you trying to get some of the metals back from the waste you have.

Steve Medina - 2020-01-13

Plenty of other youtubers who do that. Plus this guy has a thing for complicated explosives.

Steve Medina - 2020-02-02

Joe Holland you forgot acids. Which is the easiest

Palerider1942 - 2020-02-02

@J H there are always chemical substitutions that could be done. for example, adding a preferential metal to the solution would kick out the metal as a fine powder in a few cases.

CAMSLAYER13 - 2020-02-04

@Steve Medina it would be good content for this channel since this one's not really about explosives

Covodex - 2020-04-28

it would propably create and endless loop of him going "oh wait, I got so many interesting transition metals now, im going to do some chemistry with them!" and then again "well, I got loads of transition metal waste now, so im going to recover some of it".

Aiden Allweiss - 2020-01-12

Ive been showing your videos to my organic chemistry teacher in highschool
He loves them, keep up the great work!

Aiden Allweiss - 2020-01-12

Also: do something with your carbon tetra chloride, the more illegal your chemistry the better lmao

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

Glad he likes them haha, and I'm trying! Hopefully a main channel video....

Kenneth Finnegan - 2020-01-12

6:26 "Visibility is solid zero"

Removes opaque foil covering flask

"Actually, I can see in there now"

Daniel Albers - 2020-01-12

Haha I didn't even notice that!

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

I felt like an idiot, but it didn't deserve to be edited out

J H - 2020-01-12

Lol, i noticed that too.

colinmoriarty - 2020-01-12

Extractions&Ire that’s what keeps me coming back

Nuovoswiss - 2020-01-13

For future chlorination reactions, why not conduct them in a solvent? Elemental chlorine has decent solubility in cold, non-polar solvents, so you could let the reaction just sit and run for a while, then distill it at the end. Should make for a simpler set-up and less chlorine waste. Also bonus points if you convert metal tetrachlorides into (anhydrous) metal tetranitrates. Should be some interesting oxidizers.

BJLStorm - 2020-01-28

This channel is great. I'm more of an organic chemist, but I love the inorganic stuff you have on here.

George - 2020-01-26

This Channel is great. Here I was thinking the chemistry community was disappearing due to strikes and no new channels but then YouTube itself revealed you to me. Love your videos I’m a chemistry major now because of people like you. Never stop doing you love this

[Whatever name goes here] - 2020-01-12

Dude your production quality is getting better and better over time. The shots, most of all the outro one were amazing now!

Kajir Mellor - 2020-08-20

An option for handling metal solution waste I've seen used in the Semiconductor industry is to "plate" the metal ions onto copper sponges using DC current. Get a bath of solution set up, put a "sponge" material in (Would steel wool work as well?), attach your DC leads, and suck the metal out! just watch out for waste electrolyzed H2/O2

Pyrox - 2020-01-27

You are my favorite chemistry channel on yt. Probably because I can relate to your "let's try and we will see attitude". Chad Aussie Chemist vs. Virgin Nilered (I like niles channel too though). Greatings from a fellow chemist.

uilsoum - 2020-04-26

Pyrox chad aussie vs virgin canadian

Harry Dudley-Bestow - 2020-05-05

Huh. Could you use this as a method to easily coat something with high surface area with vanadium pentoxide? That would be an easy way to develop a vanadium pentoxide catalyst for sulfur trioxide/oleum production.

Samuel Fensom - 2020-01-15

A waste recovery series on those transition metals might be quite cool, less waste for future you to worry about. Maybe

J H - 2020-02-14

Cool that you showed the clean up on this one. I think that's definitely something that should be included in more videos (not just yours, but everyones... except for NileRed, he posts all of that on his NB channel). I really would like to start making chemistry videos, the waste is one thing I'm really concerned about though.
Whenever I do some experiment/demonstration, I will download the MSDS documents for every chemical I plan on using as well as the planned end product and potential side products (I have my own MSDS binder, lol), then go through and highlight anything that's important such as proper handling, storage and disposal. But it would still be cool to see details like what you include at the end shown on more videos. Just my opinion.
P.S. I really think storing them all as solids may be easier in the long run, as opposed to storing them all as liquids. But you do you! :-)

D G - 2020-05-13

To help better contain the end products could you react the thermite in a graphite crucible similar to what they do for thermite welding of railroads? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exothermic_welding

MetallicaLife4 - 2020-01-15

"I don't think that blender will ever be the same again"
blender: thousand yard stare

Full Modern Alchemist - 2020-06-11

I built a pump device using a peristaltic pump very similar to this. 10/10. My version included a mason jar acting as a trap. Shoved the whole mess in a cigar box and called it good.

Mercury - 2020-01-12

Have they banned terra-cotta pots in Australia now

Away VFX - 2020-01-12

love the fact that this guy is mentioned on wikipedia for his azidoazide azide video lmao

Zach Russ - 2020-10-11

Link?

Cajun Champagne - 2021-01-03

@JazzyFizzleDrummers lol

Rob Mckennie - 2021-06-19

@Zach Russ just check the Wikipedia page for azidoazide azide, it's not very long. Currently the page only mentions Tom's video as a "rectification" of the rumour that the compound is the most sensitive explosive, but there's a more extensive discussion on the talk page

Fractal - 2021-12-08

azeedo-azeed azeed

Younes Layachi - 2022-01-30

@Fractal baguette

Martipar - 2021-01-09

While I admit it would be largely pointless due to it's abundance but i'd love to see Sodium Chloride being made. Good old table salt, pointless but it's bound do have interesting results.

ericdheit - 2020-01-28

Your a great youtuber man and deserve millions more subs and I hope you get there

Eph-Jay Music - 2020-01-12

Thanks for such awesome vids! When you going to "poke the ozone bear" again?
Wondering if anyone has dropped white phosphorus into liquid ozone before...😉🤣

Mark Waller - 2020-01-12

A quote from Wikipedia: "VCl4 releases Cl2 at its boiling point (standard pressure) to afford VCl3", which appears as "violet crystals". I suspect that's what the "black crystals" were in the reaction flask.

Tibor Kovács - 2020-01-12

In terms of the waste management, try doing single displacement reactions between the waste and aluminum or something. That will precipitate the vanadium or copper or whatever you are dealing with. Then you can just add some baking soda to precipitate the aluminum as well and filter it to recover the metals. Then just poor the liquid down the drain.

T P - 2020-01-12

Isn't it possible to straight up displace with baking soda or better still NaOH?

Tibor Kovács - 2020-01-12

T P yeah that works too but that would form hydroxides and that can still be useful, but i just thought that this would be cleaner

T P - 2020-01-12

@Tibor Kovács I see, thats why

Richard Adrian - 2020-01-12

You really need to make a ball mill. This will allow you to more safely and thoroughly crush reagents. Just be sure to use non ferrous media for combustible things.

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

This is true!! It keeps getting brought up, for good reason!

Make It With Calvin - 2020-01-12

I see the physics department was there with some YELLOW chemistry. Bloody physics department.

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

It's always the damn physics department!

DanDanBinks - 2020-01-14

I'm a massive Aphex Twin fan. props on the music!

j h - 2020-01-12

yes! more vanadium chemistry (:

Andrew Fleenor - 2020-01-12

The part with the waste where you're pouring blue liquid into other blue liquid and getting rusty vapor is surreal. Vanadium is cool.

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

I thought so too! If you did this with TiCl4, the chemistry would be pretty much the same, but you make a white smoke and a colourless solution. Much less satisfying!

Valeriy Cherepakhin - 2020-11-12

This is amazing! Thank you!

Anxious Snake - 2020-01-12

Nice video,
And also thank you for adding some enjoyment to my life, because I just discovered your band!
Really enjoyed "It's nice to meet you".

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

You're most welcome, thanks for checking that out! Hopefully some more new music this year

fireandcopper - 2020-01-12

I used to use a coffee grinder for its ability to grind, not for coffee though. I found though it made what I wanted too fine and powdery.

Jer Bear - 2020-01-12

Found myself holding my breath when that stuff was chuching lol. Good stuff man! Almost 400 like and 0 dislikes.

Ilusys Systems - 2020-01-12

"When I retire, I can take them to the disposal place" :D
yeah I moved 2 times, and I still got waste from when I was 15 :D

moofy - 2020-01-12

Extractions&Ire or an even more worryingly short time if you leave waste in leaking jars...

Jacob riddle - 2020-01-12

So is burial in a 10 ft hole in the middle of nowhere considered wrong?

Jhon Doux - 2020-01-12

@Jacob riddle depends on the material

Hytekrednek Bama - 2020-09-03

just flush it down toilet like the big boys do.

Ilusys Systems - 2020-09-03

@Hytekrednek Bama Actually, now I live in countryside and I use copper waste as root killer :) that's majority of my waste, so problem solved.

kocy33 - 2022-05-28

Suggestion: research into waste disposal. Tackle each of these solutions in a separate video. I would watch how to further decompose them.

Walter Bunn - 2020-01-14

Ehh...
The smoking glassware was not a good sign.
React it with hydrochloric acid first. You can control the concentration of acid and the temperature of the reaction more easily.
After you have a solution from that, percolate the chlorine gas through the aqueous solution of vanadiumchlorides.

Jumpier Wolf - 2020-01-12

TiCl4 is also like this where it's a liquid at room temperature.

Entenkommando - 2020-01-12

Ah yes. Antinomy, my favourite element.

Diet Shasta - 2020-01-14

OI, terracotta pots are just the tan pot you put plants in they are at like every store with a garden section. love both the channels by the way keep up the awesome work dude

pixelpatter01 - 2020-01-12

Was I the only one holding my breath when the orange smoke was coming out of the flask?

Hunter English - 2020-01-12

Hello, my Australian chemist. Much love from the USA!

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

Hello!!

The Gayest Person on YouTube - 2020-01-12

Good job, man! Despite your best efforts it actually worked!

Lol ❤️

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-12

Thanks mate 🤮🤮

Cody Deforest - 2020-02-02

Lol I find it funny that he said he could “probably” explain why he has that waste and it just made me think about the reaction on the disposal persons face when he says “yea I had a YouTube Chanel called explosions and fire”

SlamminGraham - 2020-01-14

Like the music. It adds lots of suspense and drama. :) Oh, and yeah, SPF70 every 80 minutes will make the cancer go away.

John Dough - 2020-02-20

Next lab capital investment: a UV blocking tinted canopy for outdoor chemistry work.

My name is Marty - 2020-01-13

Australia is on fire. Let's play with more thermite!

Godfrey Poon - 2020-01-12

Buddy, you really need to take better precautions against the ionizing radiation.

Jan Negrey - 2020-01-13

Isn't Vanadium like super-hard? And you grind in in Coffee-grinder?
I've read the book on it more than 2 decades ago and the book was already 20-30 years old - it listed hardness of various metals. I remember that Titanium wasn't as hard as I thought and comparable to Molybdenum (both I think 160), then there was Tungsten (250) and Vanadium (260). I was freaked out by Uranium though. I don't remember exactly, but me thinks it was over 400. And somehow it wasn't density. It was the only thing I remember from this book.

Extractions&Ire - 2020-01-13

Probably, it hacked up the poor blender blades a lot... oops... and yeah Uranium is super hard

Clogged Pizza ➈ - 2020-03-30

ultimate test which will give him cancer first his janky chemistry or australia's sketchy ozone

Jake Smith - 2020-01-13

it would be cool to see you pull the metals back out of your waste containment one day, instead of it going else where.