Mentour Pilot - 2024-01-06
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This channel is such a gem. The production value and the knowledge, coupled with Petter’s story telling is all amazing.
Thank you so much! We work hard to try and give you the absolute best reporting and storytelling we can.
@@MentourPilot this type of storytelling are absolutly perfect. idk how difficult it is for you to make that for many video but honnestly continue like that !
@@MentourPilotYour videos are high quality like this one all the time!
@@MentourPilotAlso this new art style theme is amazing!
Wholeheartedly agree!
I'm a flight attendant and, even for us, mental health isn't handled well. Studies show flight crew have increased rates of alcoholism and depression. It can be a lonely job. I've lost a close friend and co-worker to suicide. I appreciate so much how gently you handle this complex topic. Mental illness in the US is a very major issue.
Thank you for sharing.
I hope this video can be used for positive change within the industry at some level.
Take care!
Oh Petter— this video is the best I’ve ever watched regarding mental health. My son, who is almost 22, is currently trying to become a pilot. It’s been his dream for years. I’m going to insist he watch this, as well as my husband (his dad). Please keep up the good work. Love from Colorado in the US.
Which is a real concern since there have already been many incidents which were caused by either substance abuse or sleep deprivation. The problem is that the aviation industry is a very high-risk career, especially with the USA employment laws, so if you show any signs of "underperforming", your career is over. This is a big problem since flight crews are responsible for passenger safety.
well.. that kinda helped the stressed flighers over here a lot. knowing that the're sa lot of drunks and mentally unstable peopople flying and attending flights.
It’s a real shame that alcohol is one of the few drugs permitted for self-medication….not within certain time limits of flying of course. I always really appreciate the flight attendants and do whatever I can to make their job easier even if it simply means looking them in the eye and saying “thank you” when I deplane.
You've covered all kinds of accidents, from fatal crashes to runway incursions, down to the minor incidents. And yet this one, that only lasted 90 seconds, didn't kill anyone and didn't even have to do with any fault related to aviation (technical or human), is your best video yet by far. You've moved us all. Congratulations💙
You get the like.... very properly and concisely put... He says in these videos that not only does he talk about things that improve aviation, yet that he hopes we would learn from. I developed anxiety when I was 20 and stopped flying ultralights. 3 generation of flyboys and then there's me, but I am still an enthusiast (who doesn't want the drama from mayday). This channel has taught me a lot; however, this episode felt special. He kept to his theme of humanizing aviation. While he always does a decent to great job humanizing each pilot, you couldn't help but consider the contrary and let it weigh on your emotions.
I wanted to go into emergency or at least clinical work, but medicine is kind of the same in these regards (there are more means of course to getting back to the job but a mental health crisis is more severe than an addiction crisis which they have a path created for and doesn't feel fair it would have to go that far before it goes from "well you have no place to clinical work" to "you need help and there is a way to get back if you work on it".... that's changed my path to medical research. While I can still contribute to science and save lives continuing pushing our knowledge of medicine, my hands have always felt like they were meant to help others and refuse them ever to hurt anyone; only good.
In short I relate to this. I could have flown through medical and specialty school... I love learning, but I took the path of reporting it and that option is nearly lost to me.... So imagine pilots with even more stringent standards; that is a very hard pill you are not allowed to swallow even if a physician says it should help. Like his video, thanks for the comment because you put it best; this was the best video he's made and I have watched all the playlists. Have a great week.
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I have to agree. This story was the best one he has done so far. You can really tell his genuine emotions in the storytelling.
I wholeheartedly agree with your praise but must argue I believe the fault is "in aviation". Aviation, by stigmatizing and not acknowledging disease processes it itself exacerbates, is showing the macho and get-there-itis (get the job done) attitudes it claims to eschew, and in doing so increases the danger to its employees and passengers.
@@yellowrose0910 I'm just trying to engage in civil discourse... To be honest, I think he would agree and that you are representing the other side of the coin...
Not only do we need to do better training and filtering people,
but more changes need to be made in the sociology of aviation... You bring up a valid point. I just think mentour pilot would agree
All I can say is WOW..
Mushrooms and LSD are a bad choice for some people because they can trigger psychotic episodes in certain individuals. I am one of those people. I tried LSD and mushrooms in high school and they triggered psychosis, anxiety and fear like I had never experienced in my life. After that I had the "imprint" of those psychotic experiences wired into my brain and I have carried that "imprint" my whole life. It's something I wish I had never done.
Petter: as a mental health provider of 25 years and and aviation buff, this was hands down your best video--and that is saying something. Thank you for one of the best descriptions of major depressive disorder I've heard and the human way you examined this terrifying situation. So glad you take the time to make these videos
How common are dissociative episodes like this?
As an experienced airline pilot, I could not agree more. Best clip ever from Petter.
Taking Magic mushrooms while partying with your friends, has zero to do with his mental health. YOU PEOPLE.
@@aftertheheadlinesSorry Mate, you didn’t listen. Please RE-watch the episode again, focusing on the events up to and prior to him taking the mushrooms.
@@aftertheheadlinesI think it did. He was clearly depressed at that point and I’m assuming he fell for it when his friends kept insisting and finally gave in thinking it was a brief escape from reality (he wasn’t flying as a pilot until 5 more days so he assumed the effects of the mushrooms would be long gone by then). In his case what the shrooms did was exacerbate his underlying condition.
As a military veteran, I can completely relate to the fear of seeking out help with mental health issues and the potential consequences of losing your job. The stigma really needs to go away. We are humans, not faulty pieces of equipment. No one should have the fear of losing their livelihood for admitting they need help. It’s sad, but I’m glad steps are being taken to rectify this issue.
What do you think of mandatory DEI hiring of pilots and air traffic controllers?
but in another sense, we are merely faulty pieces of equipment which can be fixed and not eternally broken
I wholeheartedly agree. I mean, would you rather a pilot who’s able to treat their symptoms or a pilot who’s completely untreated and unmedicated?
Did you see my post up above? I was in the military too I was a Blackhawk crew chief. I was in Korea then I went to Fort Hood and when I was in Fort Hood I got depressed. It just kept getting worse to the point where I finally went and got help and that's when they grounded me. Yeah we were definitely being done a disservice in the military. How many of those Suicide Prevention briefings did we have to go to? I mean I don't know what your MOS was I was kind of lucky because an aviation they really don't want you to lie about this stuff, but it's still negatively affected my career. And then I couldn't even imagine like if you're on an infantry unit and you need to go see a shrink how that would go over. Maybe it's better now, I don't know I got out in 2013. But I know that there were plenty of people flying who were going through divorces, problems at home, financial problems that probably should not have been flying. But when I got help and felt better because of some regulation I couldn't fly as an active crew member. But on the ground it was fine for me to work on critical components that just made no sense to me
@@ElenaAshewhat does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that the requirements which are standard across the board are putting Americans and other travelers safety in question? Have you contacted the authorities? Do you even fly on airplanes, present not past?
I’ve never felt so sad about an aviation incident story where everyone survives. The message you get across here is very much correct. More needs to be done, changes need to be made.
I completely concur with your post. This story actually made me cry... Thanks for sharing your comment, I couldn't have said it better...😢
So true. This is such a terrible story of a man who’s just hurting deeply. Mental health is no joke.
I cried
This made me cry too. It’s so heartbreaking to see the kinds of things that people go through because of the negative stigma that mental health has.
can i ask why pilots have tunnel vision or wear horse blinkers that they CANNOT see what the other pilot is doing or lack peripheral vision ?
As someone who stopped flying due to mental health struggle, I really appreciate this video
yes hi i'm 74 i got severe depressed in Oct 2019 i was 69 i've been depressed before at different times of my life but was always able to recover but this one would not go away many times i thought of suicide, i've tried meds TMS, ketamine nothing has worked, i've been a strict vegan for 38 years take very good care of my body, exercise, fresh air, water, etc, i'm the type of person that never gives up no matter what, so last August i said i got to get back on with my life so i decided to go back to work driving a big school bus which can be very stressful well i've made it through the school year and never missed one day, this monday july 8 i start summer school, i take it one day at a time, my confidence in my health regimine keeps me going, i feel mental health issues are caused by toxins and mucus in the body only a raw diet with exercise will help i'm still removing the toxins in my body its hard but like i said i never give up, one day i will clean my blood and will defeat these problems, disease can't live in a clean body and blood its a law of nature, i hope this comment helps you and any body with health issues, Take CARE!
Whether you still struggle with it or not, wish you the best🙏
@logancarbin8160 hope your doing well and can get back into the cockpit soon. Sending best wishes
my father was an air force pilot for 14 years until he experienced his first bipolar episode. The severity caused for an immediate suspension from flying (rightfully so, mental health ain’t a joke), but what we didn’t expect is that he would be fully discharged from the air force less than a year before he qualified for his pension. By this point, he had already received his PhD and had become an instructor and professor at the airforce academy, but wasn’t permitted to continue as either. It’s still a sore spot for him over 20 years later, and while the mental health of our pilots should be considered essential to operate an aircraft, my hope for the future is that we find programs or alternative systems for pilots who need help but don’t want to lose their livelihood by doing so. Thank you for this video.
The system is fking broke!
That’s terrible. My dad was 30 years Army.
It’s water under the bridge but I have to wonder if some sort of disability leave could have preserved his ability to clock that 20 years of service. Who knows?
I’m sorry that’s how it turned out.
Regulation bad, mmkay?
That ain't rite ! Hope the FAA actually fix this in order to promote truth and professionalism.
Need for a good lawyer
This video was uploaded on the day I attended a friend's memorial service who lost his battle against mental health. As an aviation enthusiast who wanted to be a pilot and someone who experiences off and on depressions, this video hit me way harder than I thought.
I pray for Joe, his family, his friends, and everyone on AS2059 will have peace in their mind.
Hey Victor, I'm sorry you lost your friend. I lost a great friend unexpectedly and know how hard that is. Take care.
I'm really sorry for your loss. You are not alone.
I am so sorry Victor. I also wanted to be a pilot when I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I never pursued it after that.
My deepest condolences and please make sure to take care of yourself; at least the holidays are over (My grumpy opinion), and spring will be here soon
My thoughts are with you. I am very sorry for your loss. Take care <3
This happened to me. The depression part. I was just arguing with some lady on another channel about this incident. In the military I was a Blackhawk crew chief. I was good at my job, had never had an issue on a flight, and a few real emergency landings in which I was able to follow procedures ultimately with no damage to the aircraft or injury to anyone on board. I was in my early 20s stationed at Ft. hood,. I had been flying for about 3 years, and pretty suddenly I went into this depression. For a while I didn't say anything because when I was flying I was so focused I really couldn't really think about anything else. To make a long story short, I knew that I would be grounded if I saw anybody about it, so I let it go and by the time that I did get help it was so bad that I could not focus long enough to read the page of a book, i was consumed with saness about nothing in particular, and I was having full blown panic attacks and drinking to cope ( not on the job). Eventually my direct supervisor could see that there was something wrong. I was losing weight, and not in a good way, I was sleeping in 2 hour intervals and I just generally looked out of it. He asked me what was wrong, I told him and he said go to this building and talk to somebody. He explained to me that everybody goes through something like this in their military career add some point, a lot of people just don't admit it. So I go to see the doctor and they put me on an antidepressant. Anyone who has been on antidepressants nose that it takes about two or three weeks for them to start working. About a month later I was doing fine and back to my normal self, I felt great until they told me that I could no longer fly on that medication. My point here is that if I had just said nothing to my supervisor I would have been able to fly around with no problem. If I had not taken any medication I would have been fine to fly. The only thing that this medicine did was make it so that I was not depressed and having panic attacks... still I was grounded. The flying public likes to think that these aircrew are superhuman and that their job is amazing. I have worked in aviation both military and commercial. Being away from your family/ support system constantly, being in a plane all the time with the dehydration, lower than normal oxygen levels, swelling of extremities, going through time zones, waking up not knowing the where the F×÷k you even are with minimal manditory rest can make anyone depressed. Oh and when something really bad happens back home and you need to be there asap, that will be the day you're stranded somewhere due to weather or maintenence. The FAA Really needs to get realistic about these things because as you read this there are thousands of depressed pilots crisscrossing the sky's. I have known exactly what this guy did the instant I saw the story. He tried turn on alternative methods to try and fix his depression. Instead of going and getting medication and therapy this man felt so pressured, and became afraid of loosing his livelihood he took another route. Generally after you get somebody on the right medication they are fine. Obviously a doctor needs to sign their medically ready to fly again, Simulator and currency training and flying with a check pilot should be satisfactory. But pretending that this is not going on Is going to lead to another German Wings, or Alaskan situation. In my opinion the FAA has created a system that allows things like this to happen. It's not a problem if you don't tell anybody right?
I would like to reconfirm to you that speaking up was the right thing.
The misconception here is that " I would have been fine flying without medication... "
It's only a question of time.
As depression worsens, sooner or later, a career-ending incident is going to happen. This one will likely also affect other life's in the negative.
You're absolutely right. It's not just aviation that this is an issue in either. It makes sense that there are rules to prevent some in crisis from controlling an aircraft. What doesn't make sense is the knee jerk reaction that happens when someone actually seeks & is receptive to help when they aren't in crisis yet. I'm honestly surprised this sort of thing hasn't happened more often. When people are left without options to get help, self medication and spirals downward are exponentially likely.
@VonSaxons oh I know that, I was just being sarcastic about the fact that if I had not said anything to anyone I would have been cleared to fly but then when I was working with someone got through what I was going through and felt completely normal and fine again I was grounded because I was on an antidepressant. Incidentally throughout my career I had seen a few times where they approved crew chiefs to fly on painkillers.
Cheers, my brother. 🫡
Totally agree. My cousin is an airline pilot and former military, and he has talked about this kind of problem before. His brother is a surgeon, and they also have a similar issue in the medical field! Scary to think about. The way we think about mental illness HAS to change.
My father passed away before YouTube and this sort of channel became popular. I’m listening to this one and I know he would have been so fascinated and love your channel. He loved flying and spent a life in awe of flight.
Keep up the good work.
I have watched your videos for years and this is the first that has not only welled tears in my eyes but has compelled me to comment for the first time.
This story is absolutely heartbreaking, and you have told it with the utmost respect, sensitivity and compassion.
The video production is quality and the addition of graphic art to assist in conveying Joe’s personal story has yet again brought your storytelling to another level.
Thank you bringing awareness to pilot mental health. Clearly Joe’s story is already initiating awareness and potential changes within the industry. Although he will likely never fly again, perhaps his entire purpose in becoming a pilot was to put future mechanisms in motion - truly changing the industry for the better. ❤ Thank you Petter.
Thank you for your wonderful comment! 💕💕
Your final sentiment about Joe’s purpose is a beautiful one. Thank you for sharing.
I just started watching, but I did read the info box and have an idea what’s going on or about to be on here. I just wanted to tell you that that’s a very interesting and positive way to look at it as far as the pilot himself and his future flying or lack there of not meaning he still wasn’t maybe put there for a reason since I believe, I heard something about this, and they all survived I think. I don’t think I gave spoilers since I’m not sure. 😂❤
Goosebumps
I would have said what you said, except you already said it. Right on.
I’m a recovering alcoholic who is an airline pilot.
I’m grateful that there was a program for me to get the help I needed. I’ve submitted all of my paperwork to the FAA and will hear back soon.
I haven’t flown an airplane in over a year though. I was EXTREMELY lucky to be offered a position in my airlines training department, as a ground instructor.
If that hadn’t been the case, I’m not sure what I would’ve done.
Im fortunate that I’m dealing with my problems early on in my career, before being married with kids.
If these problems had appeared later in my life, or if there wasn’t a path to recovery while maintaining my career, there’s no way I would’ve sought professional help.
The system needs to be improved.
In any case, whether you’re a pilot or not, get help before it’s too late. No career is worth your own health and life. I’m happy to be sober and looking forward to getting back in the air.
I'm so happy to hear about this program. We have a similar one in nursing. It's a long slog with lots of monitoring, but so worth it when the payoff is saving your career. All the best!
All the very best to you! Hope things get easier and easier with time, and one day you get flying again if that’s what you want and the right thing.
God be with you 🙏🏽 ❤
While I never had major depression, as soon as I once sensed the slightest tinge of an urge to self-harm, I decided to seek help early. Indeed, the sooner, the better. I feel like I dodged a major bullet. In addition to the mental problems stigma, imho there should also be more awareness about "mild" problems not being an excuse not to seek help, and it should be stressed out more that seeking help isn't for "chickens" or for the "weak willed", that the BRAVE move is to seek help. Seeking help IS the mature and responsible choice. Hope you get better, wish you the best!
I have a huge respect for you for having a courage and humility.
You have outdone yourself, Peter, with this video. All of your productions are of the utmost quality, but this one... I'm speechless.
The awareness of the issue is very much needed and you did it in a very heartwarming manner. Thanks
A situation such as highlighted in this video, did nit develop overnight and the magic mushrooms were just the final straw.
When people such as pilots feel that things are starting to get on top of them, they should feel totally free to reduce their workload without repercussions, unless their work is being obviously affected. They could even report that they were suffering from a nasty lingering virus, which since the body always tries to protect itself may be true.
Self diagnosis, followed by rest and or reduced workload both mental and physical can prevent mental trauma, long before it needs to be cured. This situation often affects doctors with a heavy workload.
We have a long way to go in understanding mental trauma fully, but this video is a good starting point. Particularly since it is not judgemental.
I was a truck driver. I put off mental health care that I was pretty sure I needed, but did not get for the same reason Joe did not get help. I knew the medications would invalidate my medical certificate. I had a breakdown, 1000 miles and a week away from home. It was not as dramatic as Joe's, but ultimately more scary, I think. I have no memory, and never have had a recollection of my last week driving a truck. I thought I was dispatched directly back to the home terminal and THAT is what I remember, however my friends tell me I was dispatched with three loads, all over the south east during that time, and I successfully delivered all three loads before returning to the terminal, emptying my truck, and going home to request a sick leave. I was hospitalized, and put on one of those drugs that ended the career that I loved.
That is rough. I am sorry to hear that. I hope you are in a better place now.
I hope your doing better, same sort of deal here. Recovery takes time hang in there.
@@Tomangel61 It's been 20 years, and Thank You, I am much better now.
@@rainsilversplash4376 Good deal.
I’m glad to hear you’re doing ok now. Our family owns a trucking company and I often think about this topic. I think more people would seek help when needed if the government didn’t completely destroy their career for making the right decision. This needs to change in all aspects of life, to quit punishing people for seeking help. I’m thankful you shared your story and I hope it may help another trucker that feels they need help.
Thank you Peter for the way you shared this story. You did not paint Joe as a villain but as a hurting individual. Thank you for understanding Joe in such a meaningful way
I agree. Joe needs help. He's not a villain in any way. I hope now he is getting the help he needs
@@anthonykearney608 Maybe he could study flight medicine as well. He'd surely have a lot of valuable things to say.
I wanted to write the same thing, but now I'll just resort to fully agreeing with you. I personally stay away from drugs, I hardly ever drink alcohol - my worst guilty pleasure is coffee. But it is terrifying to me to see how much just taking something once can change who someone is for several days in such a tremendous way.
And the system really seems to be broken - I much rather have someone in the cockpit who may have mental issues but is well-medicated and therefore as stable as the next person than someone who just tries to fight it out of fear of the consequences and then all of a sudden breaks down and causes a lot of harm.
@@Colaholiker that is a VERY rare response. like one in a million rare. There was simply no way to predict his mind would react that way.
@@anthonykearney608
" I agree. Joe needs help. He's not a villain in any way "
Within his state he tried to execute 80+ people, you think a serial killer with ' mental health issues ' is a vile criminal that should be removed from society if they "erase" 4 people.
THIS is what happens when you cant THINK through a situation, but instead just feel your way through it.
I found myself getting unexpectedly emotional with this episode. I really empathize with Joe, especially in how remorseful he was after accepting the reality of what he had done in his mental state.
As a pilot, I love your channel; this is the first episode that made me cry.
I'm astounded by the beautiful graphics, the care and kindness you've shown.
I agree. Mentor Pilot is a voice for sanity and shows also a big kind heart.
Ditto on that.
Yes 100%, it made me cry as well, glad all ended well and a way up and forward is being found.
Thank the AI program for replicating the graphics from human sources.
@@CAHSR2020where’s your proof that AI was used? Huh?
I am since the age of 5 an aviation enthusiast. Sadly I had psychologic problems early. At the age of 22 I was diagnosed with Psychoaffective Disorder. And among other comorbities. I am 33 now and I work in an animal shelter. Anyway my point here is that my hearth goes out for Joe - and everyone with mental illness! You are not alone! Hugs from Hungary
I feel exactly the same. My best to you sir and thank you for helping pets that can't help themselves.
Do you mean schizoaffective disorder ?
@@OhgeeSupreme730 schizoaffective yes
As someone who's suffered from depression and anxiety all my life, I think this is a stunning piece of work...just stunning. Thank you Petter 🙏
Mental health worker here. For goodness sakes NEVER try to talk your friends into using drugs - especially if they have any issues with mental health. You could quite literally destroy the rest of their lives. Like this pilot, some people experience drug-induced psychosis which can lead to long-term or recurring illness. One of my closest friends destroyed her life this way with a single dose. If you are a real friend, respect people's boundaries - they know their limits.
As a person who experimented briefly with psychedelics when I was in my 20's, taking any psychotropic drug when you are in a bad place emotionally is a terrible idea even if you don't struggle with diagnosed mental issues or even short-term minor depression or anxiety. This can lead to a "bad trip" or psychotic episode very easily. Most of these wear off within hours but as Joe's example proves, this isn't always the case. The bad thing with most psychedelics is, you are never absolutely certain what the dosage is that you consumed or the potency of the substance. I realize that what he did was absolutely wrong and it's very fortunate that the flight crew involved were exceptionally well trained and reacted immediately to his distress, but it doesn't keep me from feeling terrible for Joe. He wasn't in control of his mental faculties and as he stated, felt as if he was in an inescapable nightmare. He destroyed a career in which he had worked his butt off to always do the right thing only to allow a very brief lapse in judgement bring everything down.
drugs are good mental health workers are bad.
I disagree 100% my buddy lost his 16 year-old child. He micro dosed for a year and over did it some days. 100% safer than what the big pharmaceutical give you. And this is why magic mushrooms are being use more and more for this..
In addition to the risk of psychosis, substance abuse problems is often a major risk when someone is already struggling and decide to”just try it”. Offering your friend with mental health issues drugs is a death sentence.
@@hollyadams9049 As I said, a very dear friend had a major psychotic reaction to an opiate and has never really recovered in the decades since. She always seemed a little fragile emotionally but had never had a clinical episode. But after the drugs she had a major psychotic episode and she's been in and out of hospital ever since. If she'd stayed clean, she might have lived a full and healthy life. Her boyfriend at the time talked her into it, and it destroyed her.
The most beautifully told story on the Mentour Pilot channel yet. So careful, balanced and respectful.
And really highlighting the chain of causation along with the next steps
Uhh no, he was allowed to leave the cockpit freely and the cabin crew was not informed of his actions. Really fucking stupid and reckless, endangering the passengers for a SECOND time after the initial incident.
Better help is a scam.
I just love how ppl ignore that
True.
How so? Never used it, don't really believe in therapy for most things, but many creators promote it so they must get a lot of business to be able to afford to promote themselves that much
@yamahakid450f They have recently settled a lawsuit for selling patient information for the purposes of advertising including medical information. A lot of accusations are also being brought agaisnt them that their employees are often not licensed appropriately or at the bare minimum requirements, leading to subpar care. I don't know the validity of the second claim(s) but the first is enough for me to understand why they are considered a scam by many.
@@yamahakid450fYea that's how scams work.
Damn man. Your points about mental health and stricter rules was so powerful. You seem like a really thoughtful and forward thinking guy. We need more people like you in positions of power.
I was denied medical clearance back in 2015 due to ADHD and shift induced insomnia. Since then, I have been very vocal about needing reform in FAA/ICAO regulations surrounding mental health. Thank you for highlighting these incidents
ADHD is so misunderstood. One key factoid is that when you are in your element you perform ABOVE standard.
Sorry they did that to you.
I wouldn’t call ADHD a big issue, not a serious mental health issue..it’s very manageable and better without meds.. Adderall is typical prescribed which can cause insomnia along with other issues.. you don’t need shrooms for ADHD.. it’s very common and 90 percent of the time, it’s a misdiagnosis and comes down to lifestyle
@@randallsmerna384 ADHD is misdiagnosed often, and really not a big deal and very common..there are severe cases, sure.. but overall, come on… most people say they have ADHD so they can be prescribed adderall… try being bi-polar 1 or suffer from schizophrenia.. those are mental health problems.. not adhd
@caeleste42bit52 I'm genuinely glad it doesn't sound like your ADHD causes you major problems, but that definitely isn't always the case, especially in people diagnosed after childhood or people going through meds changes or shortages.
I wasn't diagnosed until I was 23, despite major clear signs throughout my childhood. Having ADHD but no one being aware had major effects on my schooling, but I was intelligent enough to get by until I reached ~16 years old, when suddenly I needed to work to achieve the same success, but had never really learned how. Cue seven years of struggling through school and a highly technical university degree, experiencing intense imposter syndrome and maladaptive behaviours, including self-medication with caffeine (which we later found out was a terrible idea after I was diagnosed with a structural heart defect), until I was diagnosed with depression at 19, later amended to treatment-resistant (also, in retrospect, a very clear sign). I have other problems that contribute, sure, but even after my ADHD diagnosis and starting medication the entirely predictable impacts of my ADHD on my work and motivation can rapidly descend into a destructive spiral of self-recrimination and self-hatred.
It's not ruined my life, I'd never go that far. And sometimes hyperfocus can be a benefit. I try to view having ADHD as an entirely neutral fact in my own life - it certainly isn't a mental illness, but that doesn't mean that its effects on your life can never be seriously deleterious, or trigger mental illnesses all their own. Essentially - I'd try to avoid generalising.
This is so true, I can attest to this myself, having ADHD and am a trial lawyer. In my work, I have trouble with certain tasks but in the courtroom I'm at the top of my game. A counsellor told me that is because of my ability to pay attention to multiple things at once. @@randallsmerna384
I was in high school in the 70's. Everyone knew taking psychedelics was to never be done in a sad state of mind. A bad trip was the worst, and feared by many, result of a trip. The pilots friends failed him.
Exactly. Set and setting.
Edited to add I'm in Lynnwood WA
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Yeah I think treating depression with psychedelics is a very dangerous proposition.
He was in a bit more than a "sad state of mind"
@@RichardKelly-v9l Err, being sad and being depressed are not mutual exclusives. In fact usually if you are depressed (not always) your usually sad, or extreme sadness can sometimes cause depression. In any case, the statement holds true, sad states of mind are not good for psychedelics.
ignorance is what you posses brotha especially thinking “the pilots friends failed him”
This story makes me so sad for Pilot Joe and his family. Joe seems like such an exemplary man who just stumbled into depression. His own unique physiology left him extremely susceptible to the effects of an illicit “medication.” The fact that he is so accepting of his own responsibility bodes well for his eventual recovery. Sending my best to him and his loved ones.
The whole episode being a comic is really creative. The idea at 26:27 of the “different scenario” changing the panels of the comic and the whole storyline… this is just crazy good editing.
Props to the artist that create the comic panels. Or if it was AI, props to the prompter because getting that even results with current AI is really hard.
@@MikkoRantalainenits most definitely ai
@@Noel_Jaco8 I agree that it was AI assisted at minimum but getting all those frames from AI with prompting only would still seem really hard. As a result, I would guess it was more like "apply this style to these drawings".
Definitely was AI; a few of them have one too many fingers. Conflicted about it as an artist, but the writing of the video and the production quality is amazing! I hope they get the budget to hire an artist for this sometime in the future, though I understand why they hesitate to
It really doesn't matter if it is AI or not because you have to "ask the right questions" to get this kind of visual consistency anyway.
Im a CBT therapist working in the NHS in the UK. We treat those who after living perfectly normal lives get anxiety or depression that disables them to a mild or moderate extent. With treatment and sometimes anti depressants these people usually return to full health and often gain greater emotional resilience in the process. I would be very happy to be flown by a pilot who had been through that process. This must be changed in all industries. They used to end the careers of health professionals who had mental health problems but with treatment and recovery that doesn't happen now. I'm so glad you are highlighting this issue.
I once asked a therapist of mine if it was a thing for substance abuse to become integrated into their lives as a result of hearing, understanding, and realizing what the aggregate of individuals leads to in society, and how it would appear from my viewpoint as a never ending uphill situation...
The answer was a zero thought and emphatic "Yes."
Combine these two concepts and having such a restriction on workers would be an impossible situation. Not a matter of "if" anywhere near as much as a matter of simply when.
The conversation that followed actually changed my outlook on many things somehow. Mostly in the idea that as much as it is possible, we need to look after ourselves first. Would seem there are no exceptions with all of that said and videos like this playing.
It's incredible how fast the pilots in control reacted and kudos to the incapacitated one for reacting well in his moments of clarity to minimize the danger he presented after. Very tragic situation but extremely well handled.
Yes, exactly.
It's true they reacted fast but I'm also really surprised that they didn't warn the cabin crew. After all he had immediately headed back into the cabin unaccompanied - he could have tried to open an emergency exit (as he later did) or to directly hurt people; he was definitely a danger and they needed to know that. I understand securing the cockpit first, but surely the next step should have been alerting them?
@@phuealexactly what I thought! They should have had him restrained immediate rather than sending him walking around the aisle
@@phueal They probably didn't have time to do that. They had to take control of the aircraft first and make sure everything's ok.
I'm a former pilot who stopped flying just before getting my CFI due to my own mental health problems. Recently discovered this channel and this video hit really hard.
A heartbreaking tale told in a heartfelt manner, you should be very proud of yourself Petter for raising awareness around pilot mental health. Hopefully this gives other pilots the courage to take steps and reach out for help ❤️
That is EXACTLY why I made this video. But Joe should get the credit for telling his story in such a candid way!
@MentourPilot you nailed it! This was different but just right. It hit hard on me. Thank you!!! And thanks to Joe for charing his story!
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For a few months last year I was in a dark place. Although I managed to pull myself out I knew people that failed. That story really hit home.
From the bottom of my heart... Thank you.
@@MentourPilot I know from personal experience that takes a lot of courage to speack out. But! Others will have noticed things. It is all to easy to say 'None of my buissness'. Especially in a safety critical industry, there should be a culture that you raise concern. CRM is a prime example, freedom to speack out without sanction. Then , the person who needs help can accept it, without loss of face!
A person almost caused the deaths of hundreds of people while being high on magic mushrooms and this is the state of the comments section.
Wow. Impossible to overstate the value of your channel. Your humanity shines through in all of the work you do. No one else could have produced this video. We are so lucky to have you. Thank you Petter.
You faced the topic of mental health amazingly well, as a person who's struggling with depression I'm astonished at how good this was. You showed to be so smart and kindhearted ❤
It's a shame that it is out of the ordinary for people to be this compassionate about mental health.
Choosing to tell a portion of this story in the style of a graphic novel made this video special. You not only delivered an important message, but captured the mood with expert precision. And kudos to the humanity in which it was portrayed.
As a pilot and having friends who have struggled with different problems, this episode was just great. Thank you so much our mentor.
I’m not a pilot, just a well informed passenger. I’ve followed your channel for years and have enjoyed every video that I have watched. This video really touched me more than usual. It probably helps that Portland is the airport closest to my house, so I remember when this happened. I really appreciate the desire to focus on the mental health aspect of this. My family and I have been focusing on our mental health with various diagnoses and medications. The struggle is real for everyone. Thanks for taking on the stigma head on.
Couple notches above you. Actual employee and knowledgeable one because I do ground and handle the plane at all capacities unlike a prettty face that’s just an FA. Not sorry, they are useless and enetirled attitudes hurt the flying industry. But my comment is: pilots starting out, not 20yrs in, starting out are not getting paid enuff to stay sober,sane and healthy to be responsible for 200bodies. End of discussion.
@@hoopslaa5235 If you really were a "knowledgeable" aviation industry employee, you would certainly know better than to call flight attendants "pretty faces that's 'just' an FA". The only one here with an entitled attitude problem is you.
Well informed passenger is a pilot. I could fly one of these things with my eyes closed because I played halo 3
The stigma of being a pilot... Petter is very brave to come out as a pilot, usually you only see actors or hijackers in cockpits.
- You said "cockpit" Beavis huh huh
- and "jack off to come" huhuhuhuhuhuh
- No dumba** slap
- Oh yeah sorry Butthead
@@hoopslaa5235 Ego much? Also: work on your English.
As a person who has struggled with mental health issues such as depression, this video really hit home with me. I couldn't help but get emotional while viewing this, and the pain I felt for that man goes without measure. I'm thankful that this didn't result in a tragedy - thanks to the efforts of an outstanding crew, and I really hope Joe is doing much better, and moving his life forward. Thank you for posting this.
You couldn’t have said it better for me myself! I also got so emotional..
Wake up! You are dreaming.
Wake up!
Wake up.
Wake up..
Wake up...
Magic Mushrooms and similar drugs like LSD have been around for a long time, and most of us have heard of celebrities (mainly musicians like Syd Barrett, Peter Green or Brian Wilson) who destroyed their careers with the stuff - we tend to laugh such people off as either idiots or lightweights. Thankfully they weren't pilots with the lives of others in their hands, but hearing of this guy's hallucinations and disconnect with reality, you have to wonder about people like Barrett, who probably suffered those exact same effects for years, instead of just 5 days, and have to wonder how they didn't just eat a bullet to end it all. It's terrifying. I tried 'shrooms once in college in the middle of a Halloween street party, some 40 years ago. Never again!
Hey, I’m on board with you, i still struggle specially now that I’m alone. I have never seen a therapist because $ but I’m sure i have depression…i mean it’s everyday… since i can remember. I geared up watching this… I think we forget we aren’t all that we see, we are human with all sorts of stories and weight we carry.
I hope you are doing better friend, one day mental health will change for the better, but just like Joe i worry for my career and stigma. One day, soon…
I feel like just removing the human element almost entirely and using AI pilots would be better. Maybe the airline could remotely disable the controls in the cockpit and assume control from the ground too?
Watched a few of your excellent videos but this one was truly exceptional. I love the way you are able to explain technical aspects so clearly, but also go way beyond them to look deeply into the human context of the events. I really admire your nonjudgmental and non-sensationalist approach. Forgetting the fact it all happened on an aircraft, this turned out to be one of the best videos on mental health I have seen.
Thank you for this video! I've flown Alaska 2059 to see family and the weekend this took place, we had a large family wedding. Several of the guests were on this flight and others experienced long delays going through security at SeaTac that evening trying to get back to San Francisco. Everyone made it home safely and we're grateful for that!
I am losing my vision and now I enjoy listening to stories on youtube rather than watching videos.
Mentour Pilot's calm and soothing way of storytelling really gets me thru the day.
Sir. You're doing an amazing job!!
Also, I am terrified of flying but your videos educate and make it easy for me to fly.
Thank you!!
Regards from Pakistan
If you are into True Crime i suggest Dark Asia with Megan! I don't like the subject matter per say but she has a very soothing voice and demeanor :)
God bless you.
Why didn't Mentour Pilot got to reply this
Can you imagine how many posts he gets
yea i have to admit, hes got a calm and smoothing voice, which can help a lot when telling the story of a tragedy.
I’ve following Mentor Pilot for quite some time, but this episode in the storyline, the production and the compassion is just outstanding! I applaud the whole team’s dedication to education, safety and support of the aviation industry and especially the air crews that keep us safe. Please keep up your dedication to excellence…the flying public values your work so much!
Thank you for telling this story with both compassion and a focus on how to improve/fix the system.
Never thought I'd actually feel bad for someone who actively tried to take down a plane. Didn't know the whole backstory and yeah, mental health issues are really not taken care good enough; Captain Chris also talked about this on an episode of Simple Flying, this definetly needs to be addressed as the system is very much broken indeed.
As a graphic designer, the storyboard and depictions of the poor guys mental health was astounding. It is literally like the brain exploding and this brought the whole message across. This is one of your beat videos yet - so well told, sympathetic to both parties and a real eye opener to the plight of genuine mental health problems. Thank you
I bet it was done using AI... 🙄
@@miciamiaomiaodoesn’t matter the video is still good sure less impressive but it just makes this video better
His poor mental health was caused by mushrooms. The rest is speculation
@@haiwatigere6202 Not really, as the pilot has spoken about his struggles.
His poor mental health was exacerbated by the psilocybin muhsrooms. They are a useful medication for many people, in correct amounts and controlled environments. Theycan still have catastrophic consequences in certain situations with mental health issues and mental disorders.@@haiwatigere6202
Petter, you had me in tears. You are not only an awesome storyteller and check airman, you are also an understanding, caring and loving person. Thank you for this emotional documentary.
Thank you so much!!! This is so different, eye opening, you are handling this delicate topic with so much compassion! Thank you so much!!!
Man I just don't have the words to describe how amazing this video was...as a Flight Attendant for over 23 years I've never understood the stigma of Pilots not beeing able to take anti-depressants ect...Like you said after all Pilots are human...this video was very eye opening...easily should receive recognition for how well this video was done! Thank You!
You are right on the money in your observations!
Might as well allow weed. I have heard it helps people cope. 🤡
Because SSRI literally are the cause of public violence. Look at all the media propaganda that overstates mass shootings cases (the ones they care to agendize) the mf is on SSRI {and "previously known" to the FBI everytime 🤔}.
And the big airlines know this.
Postscript- My attack on SSRIs is NOT an attack on mental illness so go fvck off with trying that sophistry.
SSRIs have horrible potential side effects. It’s a catch 22 tbh. Thiis was a terribly sad story.
As a FA of 24 years, I approve this message.
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@kurtvanluven9351 - 2024-01-06
I never knew there was that 'mush-room" in the cockpit.
@fb39ca4 - 2024-01-06
How did you post this 51 minutes ago when the video is 11 minutes old? 🤔
@amahlaka - 2024-01-06
Didn't Better Help get into trouble for selling users private data?
@johnmoloney5296 - 2024-01-06
The writing at the bottom of the video screen needs to be bigger Petter, unfortunately we don't all have pilots vision and its difficult to see
@konstantin.v - 2024-01-06
Oh, this is an ad episode. It explains 😊