Philosophy Overdose - 2016-08-21
A good introduction to the philosophy of mathematics by Ray Monk. He considers the issue of the nature of mathematical truth--what mathematics is actually about--and discusses the views of Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Frege and Russell... What are numbers? Is mathematics something discovered, or is it something invented or constructed by us? From the time of Plato onward, people have regarded mathematical truths as an ideal. Unlike ordinary, empirical truths, mathematical truths seem to be necessary, eternal, universal, incorrigible, and absolutely certain. This talk considers some of the ways in which philosophers have tried to account for the special nature of mathematical truth. Ray Monk is a British philosopher well known for his writings on Wittgenstein, Bertrand Russell, and the physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer. This talk is part of the Philosophy Cafe series given at the University of Southampton. You might also be interested in the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhUcoCOX5JM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXD57a5BEO0
I don't think there's any topic deeper than the study of mathematics, God or time.
This is gold
I'd say maths, sciences, arts and metaphysics or philosophy in general.
In order to restate the proposition of [the] Golden Gizard (below)
Let us render it thus:
PHYSICS IS GOD
-and Julien Offray de la Mettrie is his prophet!
(!!!)
dinopad10 there was no argument for him to respond to. I dont agree that god is complex question at all, neither do most philosophers. There many more complex subjects, such as metaethics. Scientific subjects are much harder to learn than philosophy subjects. (the last sentence is my personal opinion.)
Karl Marxsteingoldberg-Kikenschmitt dont be stupid, not only empiricists are skeptical of the existince of god, but rationalists are too.
The language of physics is mathematics.
This stuff is gold. Respect
What an enjoyable, wide-ranging lecture. Thank you.
Monk is such an enjoyable lecturer
He didn't even mention Godel :(
+Elijah No, you apparently have no idea what I'm talking about. On the other hand, I don't have idea what are you trying to communicate here. I think the problem is that I thought you know lot about Goedel, but now it seems to me you know just enough to realise that he is one of the great thinkers of the 20st century. But there is more to it. He was a man with very complex personality, and I think it's worthwhile investing time into reading about various aspects of his life.
Stabiljka Don´t try to save the day now. You´re obviously out of your element. You´re making it even worse now. It´s over.
Ha? What exactly do you think we started here?
But OK, it's over now apparently
Gödel did, indeed, have some writings on mathematical Platonism, but his main focus was on logic instead of the nature of mathematical objects. His relevance is beyond questioning, but not in the context of this video.
I hear the poor man become quite neurotic near the end of his life. He'd only eat pills and died emaciated at 65 pounds.
Numbers are concepts, and have no "physical" form, yet are how we describe physical forms. The objective of mathematics is truth or precision.
I disagree. Numbers do have physical form, they are pattern. Whether they are the patterns we write on paper, or the patterns of neural activity in our minds, they have a physical form.
@erictko85 The form in that sense is not eternal but merely pragmatical.
@Sisy Phos You assume forms are eternal? Quite a leap to make, though many have made it.
that is not what precision means you can miss a bulls-eye by a foot and still have three PRECISE shots
[The truth is never the same as the relative value.]
The physical world is constantly changing and temporary. The universe in which we live is opened in unity, and thus all the physical entities in our universe are constantly changing and transient.
The existence of the physical world and all the phenomena that take place in the world are instances in which the reasons are temporarily realized by means of material. Any physical or natural law, which is the causal law for the changes in such a physical world, is not the reason itself.
But the laws of the physical world about such continual changes contain internally reasons like mathematical logics that never change. We call those reasons realized in our universe as truths.
As long as we feel and think only of the phenomenon of the physical world, we cannot see any absolute reason or truth but we can only discuss the relative values as each physical entity.
Nothing is contingent. Therefore, it was always going to be black trousers. -Spinoza
Ahhhh, YES!!! At last I find the answers to the questions that had been piking my brain for so long!!! I feel so thankfull. Best spent 35 minutes that I can remember
Glorious stuff. The speaker evokes many questions within me. This will repay listening to over.
That was one hell of a lecture! Perfect stitching!
This is one of the most brilliant and interesting lectures I’ve ever listened to. It’s fascinating. Thanks for posting.
I've learned so many things by listening to this 35 minutes lecture. thank you for sharing. it was fantastic!
thank you - really enjoyed that
That was really good.
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really clear! thank you so much!
Beautiful intro, well composed. I am from the intended audience.
Thanks for this excellent upload
Delightful talk by Monk, thank you for posting this!
"What is Mathematics about?" I've been asking myself that question ever since I started doing Algebra in Grade 6. I like to think of it as something magically mystically transcendental. Like that old Twilight zone movie about the Mathmatician who was challenged to prove God as a mathematical equation. After weeks of increased diligence and devotion to the cause and weeks of sleepless days and nights, his housekeeper, having cause for concern, called the police to break into his locked room only to find he had disappeared. Checking his notes on his desk, they found, at the final stage of the notational cryptics, this : " God =
Excellent! Read Ray Monk's biography on Oppenheimer, you can get it through Amazon, now in PB.
Yes - I agree - it’s fascinating! I only listened to it with audible book....but a great listen.
This is beautiful. I cannot believe he managed to sum up all of that into 32 minutes.
That was a brilliant intro talk thanks so much for uploading
Definitely having a newfound appreciation for mathematical manipulation and the abstraction necessary for philosophical thought. Thanks for this upload!
Thank you very much.
brilliant! thank you :)
We are but functors from the category of forms to the spatio-temporal world.
Mathematics, arithmetic and geometry as branches of logic!
and economics and ethics.
This is superb, what a wonderful and well presented lecture!
Blowing my mind. I love it.
This is really fantastic. Thank you for this. I really wish you had kept going. I want more. I wish you had explained Russell’s paradox, since you are so good at making things clear. Thank you again for this lovely lecture.
Thank you so much for sharing this great lecture.
Very enjoyable lecture, thank you for sharing.
Thank you! This is amazing
Great job!
Measurements be it by rulers or measuring tape or both as well as counting particles, chemicles, calculations, and other things really gets the head thinking more outside of the box.
I am very happy I discovered your channel thank you
Wow! Super great!
can u do one on calculus?
Really great lecture! Thanks
I really enjoyed that, I have deleted my comments made as the talk evolved, I am naive but it made a whole lot of sense :-)
Excellent introduction to Pythagoras and the incorrigible links between philosophy and mathematics.
Nadim A. Al-Hasani
Do you mean inseparable or inextricable?
Incorrigible means irredeemable, which would be related to the philosophy of morals and ethics.
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Why is it so short..? I loved it.
Two of my favorite things. Math a philosophy.
I wish I was still in school
Excellent!
What about the possibilities of considering geometry as foundational based on Riemannian (or other alternative) geometry? Especially considering that physical space is indeed Riemannian?
What if platos world of forms are just information which is carried through time by culture/memes? Somebody knows a bit more about this?
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