Thunderf00t - 2023-03-06
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Gotta love the enthusiasm he has in these science experiment videos. Like a kid on christmas morning.
Yeah at one point he's almost tippy tapping with his feet. So much joy! I love it
i love when someone so intelligent completely geeks out over something.
I can see his mind thinking “I’m going to be a billionaire”
@@feelincrispy7053 Not everything is about money. It's a nice bonus but I think inventing a method to fight global warming and saving the lives of thousands of people ALREADY impacted by climate change would be much more profound! Imagine being famous for that, instead of just focusing on being rich like Elon "Vapor King" Musk 😂
@@RTSFirebatYT i honestly want to try to make this thing too. I would love to see a huge version of this injector crossing path with another injector spraying water. But that would be crazy dangerous tho, but just imagine it spraying 1l per second lol.
I don't think that he even cares about making money from it. It seems like he just enjoys making things burn and explode, just as any other guy does.
This is what I imagined science was when I was a kid. Beautiful work man! 👍
This IS what science is
You imagined right
@@DesertSessions93 Depends a lot on where you learn about it. If you get the average, depressed, underpaid, overworked and anyways un-inspirational (Not everyone can be a teacher. You need a certain... soul) it's not like that. It's just an endless pool of paperwork, papers made from other papers and pedantic bullsh*try.
As someone who dabbles in VFX you are producing some extraordinary elements. If you end up with shots that the flame doesn't leave the frame some VFX artists would be able to very easily turn these into dragon breath etc
YES IKR, this is why I want to get into creating my own stock elements! Just need a good camera lol
@@Volt64bolt Every time I tried to create my own elements for compositing I did something stupid like use the wrong frame rate or wrong exposure, and little details like color/luma key setup are not trivial for fire, smoke, water and the like. There is far more to it than having a decent camera. At least it's not worth buying one to do so.
@@amarissimus29 yeh I have dabbled in it before, but I was using my phone camera which is just rubbish. I’m not gonna buy a camera just for this, I would use it for a lot of other stuff also, and one of my mates is into cinematography and they get me to help with the effects all the time so I know a decent amount about it for a hobbyist
As someone who dabbles with your wife, please do keep spending your time playing with VFX!
The downward flame propagation with all of the swirling fire is absolutely amazing to watch. Really appreciate you letting us watch over your shoulder.
(After watching the intro) I feel he's getting closer to the crazy scientist taking over the world persona!
@@Pandermoanium
Legislation and regulation causes innovation...
Banning fossil fuels will force innovation
Where did you get your dumb idea from? XD
We can only hope lol
To quote Girl Genius: "FOOLS! I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL! ASK ME HOW!"
Yeah, Phil would definitely one hell of a spark in Mechanicsburg... :D
You didn't know? This is his villain arc.
The day when Thunderf00t transformed into Flamet0ngu3 😮
Saying "Yeah, that works" while setting the lab on fire is so Thunderf00t. 🤣
Man I would have loved to have you as a professor in college. It's not often you find a professor that puts a true passion for the sciences in everything they do. I learn a lot from watching your videos Thunderf00t!! It's work like yours that advanced our knowledge more and more everyday.
EVERY chemistry major is a pyromaniac. That's why they majored in chem.
Deathstrike, Check out Andrew Syzdlow.. more crazy pyrotechnic chemistry with a lot of passion.. he has several vids available https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qi4rrQoruQ
This is probably one of the most fun, interesting and science promoting videos you’ve ever done. Or I’ve ever seen on YouTube or anywhere. Loved it! Love the energy and excitement.
I mean its hard to bear NileRed but I agree <3
@@link7417 his video all filled with terrible VPN sponsorship and stuff.
@@TheCommanderNZ true but so is most channels these days that wanna do youtube as their day job, and they don't have many options either since add revenue is basically null these days so either they have to take sponsor ships or they have patron
Thunderf00t did a few videos with just him doing experiments & testing in a lab. Remember one of his video was about a super fluid metaliod & it's potential properties. Another video about making glass test tube & funnel.
It is scientists like yourself who will contribute to changing this world for the better. Good work sir!
Thunderf00t has emerged as my favorite YouTube channel since I discovered him last year. Absolutely love the content here. 🙌
When every other videos not about Elon musk, he's great
Absolutely the best! I've been bingeing pretty severely. If he ever wanted a scientifically literate assistant I'd pay for the privilege.
Might be a good investment to get a Nomex lab coat or even a plain welding jacket, for future fiery experiments 😂 absolutely fascinating!
Agreed, fleece will stink and stick if it burns so not coming off. I like my welding jacket, good suggestion.
Yeah, that's why a typical lab coat is made from 100% cotton that is on the thicker side of fabrics.
Yes, it will burn/ get dirty/ absorb chemicals etc. But that's the point: cotton like that doesn't melt into your skin and it will show that stuff that isn't supposed to get onto you was actually spilled (hence the white color of lab coats, to see everything on it).
A lab coat is supposed to protect against most things all at once, but only for a short amount of time.
@@trustthedogsheneverlies644 Yep, can confirm. I did (ok weird story a 48 hour prayer) wearing a fleece cloak (I was in the woods with friends for a week with a bow, I had to wear a cape. I was that kind of nerd) in the forest and fell asleep next to a bonfire. Spark went onto it, burned straight into my skin. Wasn't super harmful but I did have a wad of molten plastic burnt into my skin. I'm just lucky it cooled fast enough to not do serious harm but daaamn it hurt.
Your joy and excitement is overpoweringly infectious!
This is such a cool video!
I can't get enough of how excited you sound. Pure science boi joy
This reminds me of a situation where a colleague was trying to produce a sodium plasma about 4 years ago or so, who also ended up finding that a colloidal solution with potassium in a carrier did magic (if I recall, the potassium was doing the heavy lifting in their findings on a luminescent spectrograph, but besides the point for this). I recommended acetone just for combustibility and easy procurement, though as an aside, acetone has a significantly higher octane rating on par with methanol and responds well to exceptionally high compression. Never considered pentane, but that was spectacular to watch!
Out of curiosity, was 10ms an arbitrary number for filming purposes? In ICE engines, an idle injection pulse (cylinder arrangement and firing order not withstanding) is typically 2.3ms. I'd also be curious to see if this could be replicated with pressures you might see in higher performance systems, like a diesel or jet engine system, though on the latter, there isn't so much of a pulse as there is a constant pressure akin to a flame thrower and throttle is regulated via fuel flow. I've no idea on what post-combustion contaminants other than the obvious byproducts you'd have to deal with on a running basis, but this is all quite exciting!
He mentioned at the start that his control unit is meant for testing/diagnosis purposes. So I would rather think that 10ms is an arbitrary amount of time for that calibration mode.
you make sodium plasma? is power hungry?
I am interested in make NaK plasma. or at leas ionized and use magnetic field to push it thorw the nozzel.
@@slevinshafel9395 Depends on your idea of power hungry. Going primarily electrically-driven, 1500 watts is a low starting point but relatively safe on 'wall outlet' supplied power, also dependent on your neck of the world and what is supplied through the circuit; when I'm doing experimental stuff, I normally rely on a 220v/50amp generator that is entirely off-grid for instance and my setups look like a small power station so I don't routinely pop the breaker in my shop. Whether you have 20 or 30 amp breakers or are going the transformer route and just using the grid to get things started, it won't exactly be cheap to run, but it won't be like running an industrial 3-phase pump type expense either. You'll definitely see it on your utilities bill, much akin to running an electric heater at full output for days on end. All told, the electric price will be peanuts compared to running devices, infrastructure and whatever you sink into the R&D process.
I believe that there were proposals for sodium fueled rocket motors, for outrageous thrust on first stage usage scenarios, usually paired with equally outrageous oxidizers.
These ideas never left the drawing board, as Hydrazine and Nitric Acid is an unholy enough combination to have sitting around on the launch pad by the hundreds of thousands of pounds necessary to fuel a rocket of useful size and throw weight.
Could the aerosols absorbe the moisture and CO2 out of a waste exhaust stream, resulting in forming sodium and potasium oxides and carbonates?
I wonder what his intentions are with the aerosols.
Hrm.... what if? Cloud seeding? Increase earth's albedo, solve acid rain, and solve ocean acidification, and pull CO2 out of the air?
I love seeing your sheer joy at the process of discovery and, well, science, it's really awesome. I was struck immediately by the fact that it sounded, at first blush, much like a pulsejet, and then I realized what you've essentially made here is an open-air pulse chamber. I wonder if the reed valves used for pulse jets could help inspire further refinements in your concept. As an aside, I'm working on a sci/fi video game and I know in the setting there's going to be some kind of geoengineering projects going on to mitigate climate change, large automated planes burning NaK to create vapor plumes in high atmosphere may be added to that list in your honor. I like that better than huge oceanic towers.
That was a freaking awesome experiment, Phil! - In some of the shots where the image burns out there is a strong pink cast to the image - maybe try adding a strong IR-filter glass on the camera might clean that up a bit.
One of the best parts of my day? Notification for a new Thunderf00t video 😄
Been a fan for at least eight years, I appreciate you giving scientific literate content to the public. You are a good man and make good content, thank you.
What a ground breaking experiment! It is one of those that you cannot go to ANYBODY else on Earth and ask questions about, because YOU are the first and one and only to mess with Sodium this way. The experience, knowledge and scientific results are as exiting as it gets! Good for you TF and I am glad you had this level of success!
What an exiting comment.
@@Jamal_Tyrone what an exciting experiment! Even if it went nowhere haha
He's not the first.
@@Physwe then who is?
@@Physwe I think his point was, can one use a common fuel injector to make sodium and potasium oxide aerosol. On that, maybe he was or wasn't the first. But i think its more interesting to ask why he wants to make a sodium and potasium oxide aerosol.
"There's a reasonable chance that this crashes and burns....and also a reasonable chance that it's a fantastic success"
I was a bit concerned with the weekly Musk videos but the last two have been great and I think this one in particular is some of the best stuff on the channel.
The Musk videos were great; I will happily watch smarter people shit on that insufferable narcissist.
@@justinwatson1510 The initial science based videos around Hyperloop and SpaceX were fine. They descended into almost weekly updates with endlessly reused footage and the same talking points over and over. I gave up with the second or third video about Twitter and share prices. It's not what this channel or the patreon were sold on and i found the cheerleaders for it in the comments insufferable.
@@brundelfly1 people have been publicly sucking Elon's dick for almost decades by this point and treating him like the second coming of Christ while he abuses his workers and robs the government. I completely understand the catharsis people must have been feeling to finally see the façade crumble.
@@justinwatson1510 And there's plenty of places for Musk haters to get their fix; meanwhile a science channel that is obviously capable of brilliant content like this lost months to repetitive videos about a social media buyout and reiterating the same points over and over around Tesla's fanciful product ideas that are unlikely to see the light of day.
@@brundelfly1 given how Musk has successfully painted himself as a brilliant engineer in the public imagination, I think a science channel is the perfect place to pick apart all of his lies.
Toluene prduced a really lovely flame! Was really surprised that the injector survived the NaK alloy. Will you retry the same line of experiments with higher pressure or maybe with a high pressure injector? Wonder how the flamefront changes.
That was a really interesting experiment, hope we see more!
Cool - might use as a heat source for a steam powered rig but I have an idea that the aerosol/particulate produced would wreak havoc in an internal combusion/piston cylinder setup.
Right around 23 the minute mark is when he forgets this is for an audience and goes full scientist, the excitement is so natural it made me giddy myself <3
I wish I could come up with such quality content all the time :D
Thanks man - keep up your sharp and cynical way:)
I know literally nothing about the topic you're talking about, but you talk about it in a way I can sort of comfortably watch your video and kind of understand what is going on. I love your content man
After watching this video, no one can call science boring. Those slowmos are a piece of art in my opinion. Great video!
Love the enthusiasms.
Fantastic to see you explain a low impedance port Injector as a scientist and non car-guy
I love watching videos like this! Just the setup & learning process, experimenting is awesome! Thanks 👍
Maybe in ~20 years Na engines will be something common, and I will remember this series of videos with love and admiration
Impossible. Nobody care about environment, just money and power. That's the problem. Secondly it's not that simple like just put some of this stuff in injector and use it. Automotive is very complicated subject and have a lot of variables and parts and system working together. For ex. Sodium is already used in some engines as a coolant for the valves. It's inside valves and in liquid form is taking the heat of them. You can spend years just learning about enigne oils and still not be an expert.
On land vehicles, I see biodiesel and synthetic Diesel and gasoline taking over, along with electric vehicles.
For ships, I see sodium and calcium hydroxides used to remove SOx and CO2 from ships' exhaust being more common than a sodium-in-fuel emulsion.
Aviation is where I think this idea would have the best chance of working, via sodium-in-fuel emulsion or injecting sodium via afterburners.
I doubt it. The combustion products (alkalai hydroxides, oxides, and carbonates) are solid. Solid precipitates in your engine with moving parts is no bueno.
Absolutely love it, I remember bringing up the standard fuel injector idea in your first video on this subject, I’m beyond ecstatic that this has become a thing 👌👌
BTW, I read the paper y'all did on solvated electrons (Photoelectron spectra of alkali metal-ammonia microjets: From blue electrolyte to bronze metal). VERY COOL STUFF!!
I have to learn for my medical exam but well I guess I can spare 40 minutes... chuckles nervously
Mood
I love you getting excited and doing experiments thunder foot, so much better than bashing the fakes in busted vids imo. So good!
I really love your enthusiasm! I've been working on weird makeshift sodium powered engines a good while ago but what I'm going after is a weird variaton of these old steam powered caustic engines. For now i've only had a "working" (piston jerked upwards after manually adding fuel) setup with solid sodium as i've ran out of potassium to make more alloy with and I can't make anymore as my oven and castner pot got smashed while moving it. Right now i got a littlebit of a break with my uni stuff, but it's hard to tell if i'll manage squeezing experimental stuff into my schedule.
This was absolutely exciting to watch. I am looking forward to seeing where this goes and if it'll ever be implemented on an industrial scale.
Yup, the reactions Phil watched at the beginning made Him moist, lol.
For Phil, science may not be difficult, but it's certainly hard
@@ananousous True, lol.
Love how you have all that gear just casually in the fume hood or close to it xD Way closer to a potential explosion than I would feel comfortable with xD
Wasn't expecting the "blue flame pre-igniter" Starcraft reference. Great surprise to have a fellow fan ;-)
Awesome video! This was a lot of work. I appreciate all you do.
A very interesting video. I love seeing science in practice, theory can be interesting(though often incredibly dry) but seeing it is always engaging.
Loved seeing this practical science experiment. Good job 👍
Happy to see your Enthusiasm ! Thank you for sharing :)
Always appreciate your presentations and experiments, thank you for this
Scientist: WOW, it works!!!
Engineer: I sense a disturbance in the force.
As somebody who randomly visited a page with your cridentials, I was confused by the works you've released in comparison to your usual YT content. I'm really happy that you're still doing research on that.
@John Phillips Absolutely, I couldn't have said it better!
You're one of the few people that recognizes that "green" energy is BS yet still acknowledges that we have a genuine issue. I appreciate that. We need to support nuclear energy.
I have been watching your stuff for a long time, and I have never seen or heard you so giddy and gleeful. It genuinely had me grinning from ear to ear!
Easiest way to get ignition is to have a second injector driven in parallel with the first, with the reservoir filled with distilled water. That will enure a nice jet of water with the sodium flame to ignite it, and also a cooling down of the flame front as well, so it might be easier to photograph as well.
except the water comes out more of a jet, which would shoot through mist and most likely shoot flame out sideways. He could use another ultrasonic nebulizer for the water though...
I wonder when Thunderf00t will do a video debunking this?
Sodium-Powered Cars: BUSTED!
David Keith has been championing aerosols for the better part of two decades. It will work. If it is sprayed in the upper atmosphere. Otherwise you are just creating smog cities like Bladerunner.
Yeah, for once I feel like one of his concepts is riddled with flaws. It was rather surprising for this channel. Just imagine caustic rain and salted fields, at least we wouldn't have to worry about global warming with that sort of destruction about...
@@StuffandThings_ It's in the proof of concept stage. He's nowhere near feasibility testing. For all you know he has those considerations in mind already. These criticisms are far too early.
He isnt trying to have this funded promising a car ulit really is proof of concept
@RolfStones - 2023-03-06
I like your approach to lab safety: "don't burn the building down, and don't kill yourself" 😂
@ananousous - 2023-03-06
Killing yourself in the lab is okay, the rule only says you have to try to avoid doing so
@alexdrockhound9497 - 2023-03-06
The fleece was a bad idea though. Ive seen people try stuff like that when welding, and a single spark hits it and melts through and the molten synthetic fibers imbed into your skin and you cant get them out and it sits there and burns and burns. Hed have been better off with nothing at all than that synthetic fiber fleece.
@gizanked - 2023-03-06
Words to live by, really.
@JohnDlugosz - 2023-03-06
I'm reminded of Feynman's reverse sprinkler experiment.
Oh, imagine if Feynman had had modern technology like vlogs?
@cronostvg - 2023-03-06
Loop holes. Explode building. Quadriplegia. Blindness.