ChemicalForce - 2020-03-29
In this video I mix dry liquid ammonia and almost-pure liquid ozone, that leads to the formation of unstable ammonium ozonide NH4O3! ____________________________ Support my channel! https://www.patreon.com/ChemicalForce PayPal: reactionsoup@gmail.com (Shcherba) ____________________________ Subscribe bro ^_^
I'd never heard of ammonium ozonide before. I'd like to see more reactions between liquefied gases.
Great remark! :D
Liquid oxygen and frozen acetylene!
Obligatory link: https://youtu.be/eXWZXXWu3AM
@pineapple no, liquid oxygen vs liquid hydrogen.
@ChemicalForce Does the ozonolysis of ammonia still form nitrates around 25 to 31°C?
@Metal Master you are not thinking high enough!
liquid chlorine pentafluoride + liquid hydrogen
The blue color of the ozone is one of the most amazing things out there
The dark blue of dissolved electrons is more brilliant.
@Sammy D I d rather say its darker than more brillant 😉
@Filip Priečinský you are right! While color of the sky is mainly determined by Rayleigh scattering caused by air, ozone has a relatively small but quite significant effect on sky colors, especially during blue hour.
I write atmospheric scattering shaders for games and sky looks surprisingly off when ozone is not taken into account, especially during sunset/sunrise. Overall ozone makes days slightly darker/deeper blue, sunsets/sunrises more purple and it is what causes blue hour.
It smells just like its color
what about nitromethane burning white?
Even for this channel, showing pure liquid Ozone reactions is truly unexpected.
How on earth did you manage to separate the produced Ozone from the contaminating Oxygen and other gases?
@Norman Reitzel ; Did you even read the start of the paper? Also, the paper is 65 years old, but still.
From the opening paragraph of the paper:
"The incomplete miscibility of liquid ozone and oxygen in the temperature range of boiling liquid air has been recognized for many years. A number of physical properties of the system were investigated by Riesenfeld and Schwab.
Thus the composition of the two liquid phases in equilibrium at -183°C was indicated to be 30 and 70 percent ozone, respectively.
Mutual solubility increases with temperature and a value of -158°C was obtained for the consolute temperature."
@Mortlet I did and the only reason that particular paper was cited is that it points out the two phases in the first 100 words or so. I never said they weren't mutually soluble. Also, if you have ever done the experiment, you would know that liquid ozone is a very dark blue, almost black. A solution of ozone in oxygen is a really pretty blue, and the liquid ozone phase is a solution of oxygen in ozone. The two are mutually soluble, but not miscible.
@Norman Reitzel ; I think you're confusing the situation a bit, or maybe my English is just letting me down...
Regardless, you said: " [...] the liquid ozone phase is a solution of oxygen in ozone."
That is EXACTLY what I was talking about (although I don't think you would call the solution a 'liquid phase', but that's just semantics at this point). My first comment was about how difficult it is to produce pure, uncontaminated liquid Ozone, as well as how unexpected it would be to show on Youtube since concentrated Ozone is notorious for spontaneously detonating just by warming it up to dry-ice temperatures.
My second comment was exactly what you just stated; that a lot of Oxygen would still be dissolved in the liquid Ozone, unless carefully separated by fractional distillation. I highly doubt that was done since it would require a stable reduced air pressure (to keep the Ozone refluxing below its decomposition temperature) and cryogenic temperatures throughout the column.
Lastly, yes I have prepared a small (~5ml) amount of liquid Ozone before and the colour continuously changes from a darker blue than normal pure Oxygen, to that deep violet/almost black colour, as Oxygen is pumped off and the Ozone concentration increases. However, there is almost no perceptible change in colour as the last 100's of ppm of O2 dissolved in the liquid O3 get removed, so judging purity by colour isn't a good idea imo.
But an even greater issue is that practically all current cameras just can't accurately record the saturation of pure Ozone, nor do they faithfully reproduce the range of saturation observed in person (and even if the camera could sense such saturated colours at the blue end of the spectrum, Rec. 709 ENSURES that ALL saturated colours get clipped off in any and all video recordings, so there is no way to faithfully reproduce them, even theoretically. Furthermore, even Rec. 2020, which will probably take another decade or two to see widespread adoption among consumer cameras and especially among displays, completely discards even moderately saturated blue and blue-green colours. While it does have the ability to represent one SINGLE saturated blue colour, i.e. 467nm, all violet colours of smaller wavelength than that, which are obviously particularly important for the accurate portrayal of concentrated liquid Ozone, are also not able to be recorded or reproduced. Thus, deducing purity, or even just discerning between various highly concentrated concentrations of liquid O3, is pretty much impossible on a Youtube video.).
@Mortlet you guys can go Mughal,joy it was my
@Mortlet God bless the 60s.
Wow keep up these experiments! You can't even find a direct entry for "ammonium ozonide" on Wikipedia, let alone a clear picture of liquid ozone! Awesome work!
I didn't believe, that ammonium ozonide might even exist. That's awesome! My guess on the yellow smoke would be, that it is the ozonide, which turns into the nitrate in mid air. As far as I know, when a compound is said to be unstable at some temperatures, it doesn't mean it will not be able to form at all. It just decomposes very quickly.
As always, great unusual reactions! When you talk about your ozone generator, give us a tour of your lab! I'd love to know how you do all those outlandish experiments!
I like this guy because he is such a dedicated guy who goes into the ass hole of chemistry and find all dark and nasty reaction man i respect u
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Well said lol
"dark and nasty" I think you mean exciting and fun.
Are u referring to Docm77, on hermitcraft 7?
Where does the extra hydrogen come from in the reaction equations? Am I missing something, or does the ammonium ozonide and ammonium nitrate reactions, as written, not balance?
It is really nice to see the chemistry in action. These are compounds that I am unlikely to see otherwise. It would be nice to see the properties and reactions of the ozonides.
Good question. The reactions he shows are unbalanced. I think a better version of the first one is 2NH3 + 2O3 -> NH4NO3 + H2O + O2, which is balanced at least. No idea about the second.
The reaction started with the lower temperature reaction forming NH4NO3 and oxygen so we had that white smoke. Maybe there was already NH4O3 forming at that moment and maybe it gave the smoke that yellow color. And then the reaction cooled down and the flow of steam was not strong enough to rise NH4NO3 solution anymore, so it changed its colour to white. So that's my theory, but who knows if its right or not.
Ok, now that was amazing and brave. Ammonium Ozonide is a new one on me... chemist at heart and luckily alive from all the things I tried back in the 1970s when I was a teenager. Chemistry was my hobby and back then you could buy anything. Made things like Bromine (first real experiment), chromyl chloride, hydrogen selenide, iodine chloride, tetrathionate, nitrogen tri-iodide... and survived. Keep up the good work showing things I couldn’t hope to see. Any interesting chemistry with ammonium hydrazide or pseudo halogens?
Hello good friend and teacher! I want for you to know that I am happy to see that you chose to use Liquid ozone in your experiment hear the color of it I find so beautiful. I can only theorize and it feels like a gut/hunch type thing that nitrogen dioxide is your yellow color additional along with whatever that white smoke was and it gives it a creamy yellow color. those are my theories that is what I believe you're coming up with and if it does not test positive for this NO2 gas then I believe it may be one of those things you call inconclusive due to the fact that there are so many other "poisons" insofar as it doesn't allow the test to confirm or deny it.
Yellow may be atomized ammonium ozonide carried up in the flow. Lower concentration would look yellow until it decomposes.
It makes me wonder about the composition and chemistry on other planets.
Ammonia in particular is very abundant in the universe and has lots of chemically similar properties to water. Plausible that there could be life on some planets that uses ammonia as the solute medium in which metabolism takes place; in fact, on planets with a surface temperature of, say, -100 celsius, it might be the leading candidate for a liquid capable of supporting life.
Your channel gets better with every video, keep up the great work!
The yellow smoke might be a smaller amount of ammonium ozonide that gets carried up with the white smoke. The color fades fast because the temperature of the smoke is increasing fast over the point at which the ammonium ozonide is no longer stable.
I was looking for some good videos on chemical reactions. You are doing an amazing work and I can feel your passion for it. if you don't mind, I will share your videos with the community on www.reddit.com/r/VisualChemistry, www.twitter.com/FunVisualChem
Sir, you are crazy in the best way possible. Keep up the great stuff!
I’d love to see various liquified gases: elementar gases such as Ozone, Fluor etc. And other compounds such as Sulphur-hexafluoride, Hydogen-sulphide, Oxydes of the Nitrogen, Hydrogen-fluoride, hydrogen-chloride etc.
Thanks, bro! Keep this channel going...
Would the reaction be the same if it was done in a vacuum without normal atmospheric gases around it?
Just wondering, what would happen with it, when dropped on a hot metal plate... When you consider trying it, please consider safety carefully!
With some really strong acids, like sulfuric or even perchloric, can you protonate ozonide or even superoxide to form (if it is possible) the peroxyl and the HO3º (whatever it is called) radicals
The mighty YouTube algorithm has spoken once again. Your channel is awesome amazing.
I was surprised to see you working with these two substances.
We live in the Tennessee valley just kind of like the right armpit of the South we have 100 days of humidity greater than 75%, which leaves everything covered in mushrooms and mold
The musky smell lingers so I've tried the ozone machine and I came up with the wild ideal.
Can ozone be filtered through water and that water become charged with ozone cleaning power.
( I have purchased 40% hydrogen peroxide but it is very expensive).
I guess, the yellow foam has its color from ammonium ozonide, carried out of the tube together with the gases.
I was lookin to see if anyone said what I was thinking. I 2nd that idea.
Agreed. I would consider it the basic possibility with such a violent reaction. Though I wonder whether some other explanation may be possible. Would require quite some rigorous testing though, with quite an effort put into it, given the instability and temperature.
I wondered if the yellow smoke is particles of ammonium ozonide formed from the cold ozone vapour mixing with the evaporating ammonia.
wouldn’t the reduction of the ozone into ozonide oxidize a part of the ammonia? if so does it become hydrazine or just plain N2?
Fascinating.
As a fellow chemist I find this very interesting.
Keep on
In my opinion the yellow smoke probably come as a by product reaction wich would make like NO2 or other nitrogen compounds like those
Probably is an side product of decomposing of ammonium nitrate
@Danielle Spargo I think you're right. You can see a similar yellow hue in the last 10 seconds of the video (4:40), when the ozonide decomposes in solution.
Om Prakash
N2 is colorless though. you might see density disturbances in light fracturing, but not color.
I'm thinking it might be some sort of superoxide. Plausible that could show up as a decomposition product of the ammonium ozonide.
It's fine ammonium ozonide powdee powder dispersed in some gas formed in the reaction (probably evaporated ozone, you can see it boiling)
I don't know why you don't have much subscribers but your videos are simply innovative and completely unique .
The yellow vapour produced quickly turned white so I’m presuming that the NH4 and Ozone reacted in their gaseous phases and was being quickly ejected due to the pressures produced as a result of the two liquids at slightly different temperatures meeting together.
i think so too :)
Could you make more of liquid ozone? Its color looks so unique!
It's weird to watch liquid ozone interact with a non-gaseous compound without exploding
Cool and interesting. However, your videos would be even more cool and interesting, if normal people still would be able to copy your experiments. Nobody has liquid nitrogen at home (until you show them, how to kitchen improvise this)
But I have an efficient O3-generator, and they are affordable for anyone. It's a very effective oxidizer though. But for now am not able to produce usable chemicals out of it (like H2O2 e.g.) or oxidizers, that are not too sensitive.
If you could put some helpful information in my brain, I would be thankful :-)
Also still looking for a way to generate Methanol on my own with catalysts from CO (Or CO2) with H2, since Methanol ist prohibited everywhere and extremely rar and expensive to get for some years.
Deep lavender blue liquid ozone. Orange red ammonium ozonide. What a vivid contrasting color combo! Just magnificent. Superb demo of reactions most of us have never dreamed of. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm very pleased there's now video documentation of liquid ozone on YouTube.
I don't think there's any danger in touching the bottom of that test tube. That is certainly not liquid ozone, but very weak solution of ozone in oxygen. Liquid ozone is a very dark violet substance.
Cool video, nonetheless. This is a rare reaction and I don't remember ever seeing it online even before Youtube existed.
Hi! The tip of my silicone tube that I used to condense its drops exploded when I dropped it on the table!
never thought I would hear the term "rapid discoloration of colouring", well I did, and it made perfect sense!
Not a chemist by any means but could the vapors have been ozoniated amonium vapors? They did seem to decompose very quickly.
I never found a lot of reaction with germanium, so i think this would be an intersting compound.
Could you make a video on the reactions of Sulfuryl Chloride with metals and non-metals and specially the reaction of Phosphine gas with Sulfuryl Chloride? I'm sure you have access to this chemical.
Hi, I think that in the process of forming amonium nitrate its also form amonium nitrite, and the descomposition of nitrite forms NOx which can be the yellow smoke. I love your videos as a chemist student I am, keep going! :)
amonium nitrate also decomps and produces NOx as well. I worked at a chem plant where we produced ammonium nitrate. Fun to watch liquid ammonium nitrate teetering on the edge of being a solid and being a liquid. See the crystals form and then melt again.. several times in a 30 second span.
Not much info about ozonides out there. Id say they are among the most powerful oxidizers known to man.. True, false? If I had one wish it would be a more detailed explanation of such exotic species. Electrophile, nucleophile, good at this, dangerous because of this. Great video, never seen Anhyd. Ammonia in solid form or ever ene heard of ozonides..
Well..but where do you get an extra H-atom for ammonium cation formation from? Everything is dry. I think it's rather some kind of complex than a real compound. Just as non-existent NH4OH.
... I haven't watched this video all the way through, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say the liquid ozone turns into a hot, expanding cloud of gas at some point
Could you use red/blue litmus to determine what the yellow gas is?
your experiments are epic!!
so, will there be a video on any unusual superacid like HSO3Cl, HSO3F, TfOH, SbF5 • HF, SbF5 • HSO3F?
Why?
Trifluoromethanesulfonic, fluorosulfonic, chlorosulfonic acids? Fine.
Magic acid? Maybe not.
Hexafluoroantimonic acid? As H2FSbF6? NOPE
Californium-252 youre wrong now
@Someone Yeah 😀 Fluoroantimonic acid turns out to be possible to buy...
This is really boring
The o3 seems to act like an acid. The yellow smoke may contain ammonia ozonide crystals.
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Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
For me the yellow is because the fume is a short-lived mixture of ammonium nitrate and ammonium ozonide
Nigel Depledge - 2021-02-12
My first thought about the yellow smoke was "don't inhale the yellow smoke!", as an analogy with "don't eat yellow snow".
My second thought was : could it be that a low concentration of ammonium ozonide is carried up with the other components of the smoke?
One thing I love about inorganic chemistry is the amazing colours it makes. All of the organic chemistry I've done was colourful only in the ultraviolet or the infrared. Unless it went wrong. When you accidentally decompose two weeks' work with nitric acid, it goes brown.
Junk Science - 2022-06-14
That was my guess. It's about the same color yellow you get when the ammonium ozonide is very dilute, so it's just a little NH4O3 being carried up and then immediately decomposing, leaving white NH3NO3
Valeriy Nikitin - 2022-10-03
Don't inhale ANY smoke from tests.