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How much Bacon gives you Liver Failure? What about Colon Cancer?

What I've Learned - 2019-11-28

A look at the claims that processed meat causes cancer. 

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Link to Dr. Mark Miller's article on nitrites/nitrosamines - https://bit.ly/34vKge6
While I recommend you read the whole thing, Mark Miller (PhD in Pharmacology, previously fellow of American college of nutrition, 20 yrs exp as a medical professor) boils his article down like this: 
"In short, dietary nitrate and nitrite do not provoke cancer via nitrosamines because they are:
• too stable
• the wrong charge 
• must be converted to other reactive nitrogen species
• the rates that nitrate and nitrite are converted to nitric oxide can support cardiovascular functional optimization but are inadequate for nitrosamine formation, for the same reasons that endogenous production from either nNOS or eNOS do not support nitrosamine formation, and neither does saliva."

There is a rebuttal video titled 'What I've Learned' is Wrong about Bacon and Cancer. 
Flaws with that video at a glance:
-While I did not mean to suggest “sodium nitrite added to bacon makes it good for the arteries” in my video, Mic does not present sufficient evidence to claim nitrate/nitrite from the plants is good whereas nitrite from bacon is bad. (Fun fact: 93% of the total ingestion of nitrite is derived from saliva)
-Skips over some very complicated science with ad hominem logic.
-Misinterprets me as saying ‘nitrosamines cannot be formed in the body,’ I didn’t say this.
-Confuses red meat with processed meat.
-Uses studies that are looking at “apparent total nitrosamines” rather than specific nitrosamines in meat. This is important because there are several types of nitrosamines with different severity of effects on the body.
-His data for endogenous formation of NDMA is based on ​in vitro​ studies ​looking not at red meat,​ but fish, and in specific, a type of fish that has the specific precursor to NDMA (DMA) in its muscle. Meat does not typically have this precursor. The study even found no NDMA formation from grilled meat.
-Mic confuses ​total endogenously formed NDMA​ with ​NDMA formed endogenously as the result of eating red meat/processed meat.​ (The study he references makes no mention of endogenous NDMA formation ​via meat consumption​.)

Here is the full response: https://www.patreon.com/posts/32265637

What I've Learned - 2019-12-11

Many of you asked about another video saying this video is wrong.
◼︎(Full response here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/32265637 ) Flaws with that video at a glance:
-While I did not mean to suggest “sodium nitrite added to bacon makes it good for the arteries” in my video, he does not present sufficient evidence to claim nitrate/nitrite from the plants is good whereas nitrite from bacon is bad. (Fun fact: 93% of the total ingestion of nitrite is derived from saliva)
-Skips over some very complicated science presented by a Pharmacology & Physiology PhD with ad hominem logic.
-Misinterprets me as saying ‘nitrosamines cannot be formed in the body,’ I didn’t say this.
-Confuses red meat with processed meat.
-Uses studies that are looking at “apparent total nitrosamines” rather than specific nitrosamines in meat. This is important because there are several types of nitrosamines with different severity of effects on the body.
-His data for endogenous formation of NDMA is based on ​in vitro​ studies ​looking not at red meat,​ but fish, and in specific, a type of fish that has the specific precursor to NDMA (DMA) in its muscle. Meat does not typically have this precursor. The study even found no NDMA formation from grilled meat.
-He confuses ​"total endogenously formed NDMA"​ with ​"NDMA formed endogenously as the result of eating red meat/processed meat."​ (The study he references makes no mention of endogenous NDMA formation ​via meat consumption​.)

GlassTopRX7 - 2020-06-25

This video is about 10 minutes too long.

Leon Nguyen - 2020-07-13

Your videos is helping a lot of people, including me and my patients. If you can publish my subscene works in Vietnamese so my patients can watch and understand it, then it'll help them alot more. Thank you very much!

Mohamed Hussain - 2020-07-18

Yeah, I checked the response, I understood that guy didn't understand your video... 😅

Well his bias, is on his channel name

Scott campbell - 2020-07-21

Love it lol.

Solbashio - 2021-01-15

damn. I should start chewing my food..

dreggory82 - 2019-12-06

The number one cause of death is birth.

Vıvıđ Møøn - 2020-09-29

@sauved0 idk man but thats what I interpreted as

essennagerry - 2020-10-11

I was gonna say hiw about breathing air or drinking water, but you're right - birth causes even more deaths!

Yo Muma - 2020-10-14

Not if your born dead

Lòng Nguyễn - 2021-01-20

No. The number one cause of death is 💀 death.

A J - 2021-02-14

Gay.

Leo - 2020-06-12

They should’ve known something’s up when someone cooks blackberries

ouimetco - 2020-09-06

I love me some blackberries. Did not know of this other due for them.

Candy Flossy - 2021-02-14

Blackberry jam?

Goabnb94 - 2019-11-29

Gotta say, that husband is pretty cocky to try to poison his wife in a hospital.

friendofvinnie - 2020-09-29

@Michael Mc mullen haha right buddy ! Mission accomplished!

essennagerry - 2020-10-11

Umar probably meant it may have been the wife who asked her husband to get him berries and the husband perhaps thought it would be suspicious to decline. Idk how the wife changing her mind makes sense though... I think it was the hospital staff that didn't let her eat the berries.

Alessandro Morelli - 2020-11-25

@Н. Д. I don't get your point...
I mean, if you have a wife, you don't call her "the wife", you call her "your" wife, no?
not because she is your posession, but because "wife" is a property of her related to someone else, in this case, you.

Parlor 311 - 2021-01-17

@Alessandro Morelli Don't say property or you'll get called a misogynis. Use attribute or something.

A J - 2021-02-14

Xarm Chia seriously lol.

Mysteroo - 2019-12-04

I like how people are angry that he's defending processed meat despite the fact that he blatantly said it's not a good idea to eat processed meat repeatedly.

Raimonster - 2020-09-13

Resting Bitchface
Ok. Since I’m not hunter gatherer nor a farmer I’m going to eat only processed foods.

Leonardo Bueno - 2020-10-10

Bacon is not necessarily processed. Just cured most of the time. Yet if you’re afraid of processed meat, just make your own bacon.

pedro flores - 2020-10-11

EAT MEAT REVEALS THAT STUPIDITY HAVE NO LIMITS AND THEREFORE THE PLANET IS DOOMED
ANIMALS DON´T THINK
SO THEY SAY...

Jamie - 2021-02-20

buy uncured bacon

kanor cubes - 2021-02-20

Isnt bacon just thin sliced pork belly how is it processed

Bevrei Langsley - 2019-12-10

All I've learned from all my dives in nutritional science and the history of its policies is that it's loaded with bullshit. I'mma just cook foods that've worked throughout history to get us here.

Kage Oashj - 2020-09-04

Yeah same

average joe - 2021-01-29

Amen

Chrysippus - 2019-12-13

Whoa, I didn't knew the study on "red meat increases risk of cancer" was that badly flawed. Makes me think whoever conducted it already had a result in mind before even starting.

Compassion Is Not for NPCs - 2020-09-19

@Max Mustermann And butter.

MsMuffetsTuffet - 2020-09-27

@The Compiler - Frankenstein meat? Hell to the NO.

essennagerry - 2020-10-11

Would it be more accurate to say a result in mind or an agenda in mind? Not sure haha but I sure thought someone, either the conductors of the study or the people paying them, idk, had an agenda.

Ramikla 1 - 2020-10-27

Imagine if you were related to Ancel Keys
You would be in some deep sh*t

Brian McCall - 2021-01-14

@The Compiler this is not always true. You can have cattle on land that is not fit for farming. In fact cattle can make land that isn't for farming eventually fertile.
It's all about how we go about raising cattle.

Thomas Stein - 2019-11-28

I hope to see a video about saunas from you one day

Raimonster - 2020-08-24

tom_ ad
Going to Sauna is part of the culture in Finland. Eg. it’s quite impossible to buy a house without one. All modern condos have Saunas. If apartment building is built before 80’s then there is shared sauna in the building.

Andrew T - 2020-08-29

@tom_ ad double speaking shlore

UniQ - 2020-10-11

@tom_ ad True, except for the Finnish people. They all have one sauna per household and have the lowest all cause mortality of Europe.

Also this is anecdotal but since I've been taking saunas, my sleep is deeper than ever and my cardio performance has improved. Not to mention Im seeing more muscle gains but that's debateble lol.

I did nothing different other than frequently using sauna.

Frances munzen - 2020-10-14

@tom_ ad did you seriously use "e.g."? Lol

Solbashio - 2021-01-15

he covered saunas before but not a video specifically about saunas

Tiberius Kirk - 2019-12-26

There's more nitrates in a stick of celery than a slice of bacon....

tony j - 2020-09-01

So the celery extract that is used for Nitrate and Nitrite free Bacon as a "Natural Preservative" is worse than the preservatives that come in the standard Bacon?

C. McClanahan - 2020-09-30

Don't blame the peanut butter for what the jelly and bread did to you...

sandeep - 2020-10-11

@tony j celery nitrates and laboratory nitrates are chemically the same. If they are heated in very high temperatures , it will turn to carcinogenic nitrosamines. You can avoid this by cooking slowly in lower temperatures.

Lili L - 2021-02-13

@Cris Bowman Naturally. However Nitrates turn into Nitrosamine with protein. Also celery has Vitamin C which stops the process.

uiji - 2021-02-16

@Gerald Friend nitrates are nitrates , no such thing as "better nitrates" a lot of bacon brands actually even use celery juice in bacon processing and that's where a lot of bacon nitrates actually come from.

Particle Config. - 2019-11-29

Epstein was eating his bacon sandwich when...

David M - 2020-02-08

...he didn't kill himself

Sal J. - 2020-02-23

Angie S You think would go to that much trouble to save Epstein? I feel like they just killed him. Of course, we'll never know

Bradley Weiss - 2020-06-05

Sal J. Oh you might.

T 25 - 2020-06-05

... you guessed it. Frank Stallone

Salamandron þule - 2021-02-03

@David M yes, 4 shots to the back of the head, one of the more efficient forms of suicide.

protoword - 2020-02-03

It’s AMAZING video that initiated critical thinking in my head! It doesn’t suggest one way over another one, it’s wandering about statements in studies, compare, asking question, etc! All people criticizing this video don’t provide any sufficient evidence and data that support their claims! Guy is not probably a doctor, pharmacist or even biologist, actually it helps him to think out of box! He’s obviously very intelligent to be suspicious over all of these studies and way they are conducted! I watched most of his videos and he become my signature subscription!

Yuting Yang - 2019-11-28

What I've learned from watching What I've Learned is that, sadly, most people actually don't learn anything.

cinnamon girl - 2019-12-01

They just comment what they already do and already believe.

Yuting Yang - 2019-12-02

@cinnamon girl If you really want to be really meta, what both of us did by commenting here is a true description for your claim as well.

Henry Dorsett Case - 2019-12-07

Watching this while eating bacon.

Russian Bot - 2019-11-28

My friends are always trying to give me NDMA

What I've Learned - 2019-11-28

"It's just a prank bro"

hikeran1994 - 2019-11-28

Version 1 your friends are trying to kill you version 2 your friend offer you food version 3 you made an MDMA joke either way take my upvote

kryl willas - 2019-11-30

u mean MDMA lol

Ilya K. - 2019-12-13

@J G I believe they call this type of scenario r/woosh on reddit P:

ouimetco - 2020-09-06

Never marry someone right after doing mdma with them.

CHEFPK - 2019-12-10

That's what the main stream NEVER shows: how much you NEED to consume to have it affect you.

Skin Bear - 2019-12-04

so... eat healthy foods, and if you like a hot dog now and then, go for it.

Noctina Tatakai - 2019-12-07

i like you

120 POUND SOUND - 2019-12-10

I've had 3 packs of bacon this week... I'm dead 🤣 ☠️

DATgyrl Tee - 2021-03-21

😆 😆 😆

Jackson Percy - 2020-02-10

And once again we learn that the keys to a healthy diet are variety and moderation.

maniacallyhappy - 2019-11-28

Thank you so much for all of your wonderful content man. I personally attribute your channel with saving my life man. You opened my eyes to the severe dangers of refined sugar, effects of calorie restriction diets vs. Complete diets, and amazing content regarding nutrition. Thanks to you, I found out about Dr. Jason Fung and expanded my nutritional education enough to have gone through extended water fasting, to intermittent fasting, to High Fat Low Carb, and finally when I made the transition to Keto. Making the changes in my life, I've lost around 135lbs, better understand my Celiac disease and severe food allergies, and am in the best health of my life. Dude, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO!!!

Stef Diaz Diaz - 2019-12-06

Google fiber menace that may help you with celiacs ( monatyrskis work)

SmallFries01 - 2019-11-28

I keep hearing MDMA lol

Freestyle - 2019-11-29

I'm ecstatic for this video.

Le Laboratoire de la Parole - 2019-11-29

Your brain keeps coming back to what you are most certain. It's a "security" bias

Ilya K. - 2019-12-13

In Greece there's a saying: "The hungry man dreams of bread loaves" :P

markyruss - 2020-07-19

same lol

Mark Irmer - 2020-01-27

Depends on how much money the lobbyist payed the CDC

Giggles - 2020-09-26

So basically, eat processed meats in moderation. Common sense that most people already know.

Nubtrain - 2020-10-13

Unfortunately common sense is not as common as you'd think :()

David Craddock - 2019-12-05

Dude, share the frank Tufano interview. We’re in it for health not peoples feelings

Solaris 32 - 2019-12-08

Frank is a hack who ignores evidence of the benefits of plants. Stopped watching him a year ago because he's a biased liar.

sauved0 - 2019-12-09

Solaris 32 yeah, i used to watch frank, too. he became sensational.

Blue North - 2019-12-13

Lmao, there are still people who believe that quack, daaamn

adun nou - 2020-01-10

Blue North there are still people who dont, lol idiots

Sandra Bentley - 2020-02-09

@Solaris 32 well of course he's biased, he's a carnivore. And very healthy too.

Paul Wanjohi - 2019-11-28

I like the use of text passing through images. Nice work bud.

magicwheel1 - 2019-11-29

OTOH I found that part quite annoying.

Sagacious Eagle - 2020-09-01

So, does anyone know how the king of Wakanda got colon cancer despite his healthy-looking physique?

Calzone Chameleon - 2019-11-28

so many people just accept anything theyre told on the TV

Joe Public - 2019-12-03

cinnamon girl - the one profiting off of prescription drugs and keeping people sick? The ones who push drugs and not lifestyle change?

cinnamon girl - 2019-12-03

@Joe Public Exactly!

Maximilian Milf - 2019-12-03

yeah like you watching this random loser telling you total unscientific bs on youtube

Zack - 2020-03-02

@Maximilian Milf what is unscientific about the video? I'm genuinely curious, I have no bias either way.

Archduke Franz Ferdinand - 2020-07-04

@Vidyamancer There are also YouTube channels that are agenda-driven pseudo-science

Tony Taylor - 2020-09-30

Wasted 12 minutes watching this when I could've been cooking bacon. The conclusion: watch something else or go cook some bacon.

Vi Corvin - 2020-02-20

Kind of funny that it helps your health when your food is, ya know, food.

Vinícius Alexandre - 2019-11-28

A video on sedentarism would be very interesting

Casmige - 2019-11-28

Vinícius Alexandre

There’s been studies after studies attempted but they could never get off of the ground (or the couch) with it all in order to get results.

WhisperOfLife - 2019-11-28

this guy became chubbyemu at the beginning

Tabby3456 - 2020-06-19

The Intro gave me a Chubbyemu vibe

Xtreme Scratchers - 2020-08-08

Had bacon, eggs and fresh beef for breakfast and I feel amazing

Alex Linna - 2019-12-11

Still easily one of the best channels on Youtube.

Hạc Giấy Thiên gia - 2020-08-09

9:16 dude, I have seen a lot of Carnivore followers eating more than 1.1kg of meat everyday, and they are not 70kg, they're about 50 to 60kg only.

Anthony Martin - 2021-02-24

1.1kg of processed meat?

Dan Kuchar - 2021-03-01

@Anthony Martin
Bacon and eggs sausage for breakfast everyday. a cheeseburger patty for lunch and a roaster steak for dinner.

Avin Pundir - 2020-09-24

Combine this with chances of cancer from eating cheese, other meats, sugar loaded foods, salt saturated snack, drinking alchol and exposure to chemicals on a daily basis ... now what is the % you are likely to get cancer. Afterall we don't eat only bacon in a day.

Sebastian Aguiar Brunemeier - 2020-10-31

The production value of your videos is exceptional. Hats off to you sir

gaurd3 - 2019-12-01

I can’t remember what i ate 3 days ago when pissed tested.

LifeVersity - 2019-11-28

As usual the studies tell us to believe what they want us to believe. It's so important not to take things at face value nowadays, there is usually some kind of corporate agenda behind them

Maria - 2019-12-03

@harry nac yeah, but I never heard something as biased as that

Maria - 2019-12-03

@harry nac I'm a med student, I walk the hospitals everyday, for us the medical system is a lot different, besides it being free/gov funded. And something I find very odd in the States is the ads for medicine. How can a patient ask for a specific medicine without background in pharmacology I can't really understand.

HighTemplarTreant - 2019-12-05

I won't be surprised to see one: "How much Cigarettes gives you cancer" or smth where he shows random linkedin posts as proof that you can smoke freely all your life and get 0.00001% risk of getting cough in your 90's.

Isn't it obvious already that this channel is only posting videos to confirm the unhealthy desires of majority?

dreggory82 - 2019-12-06

@HighTemplarTreant why don't you try digging deep and researching without bias? I personally looked at many papers that the vegans cited, but they skewed the interpretation of the statistics, As a result, I am very cautious of information presented by vegans.

Shaun R - 2020-03-05

@Maria you keep trusting them then lol. Way too much money in food and healthcare for all the guidelines not to be corrupt.

lee min ho - 2020-07-14

Make a video on science of hair loss and hair regrowth.

Michael C - 2019-12-14

Dr. Ken Berry has a great video about nitrates. Pretty much the same conclusion.

kaczan3 - 2020-08-23

8:10 "Thousands and thousands of weeners." Women liked this.

Korsalath - 2020-10-23

simple solution. buy from a butchers. support your local business!

Marcelo - 2020-09-05

As for everything, the amount is important.

Jeremiah Boyle - 2020-06-05

This is a great video and exactly what I've been telling people.

Henry Hodges - 2019-12-10

Just enjoyed a fry up without bread, was lovely.

Another great video!

Zach - 2020-08-06

I heard MDMA blackberries at first and thought, "damn, cool husband."

Kimberly Manese - 2020-10-07

Can we appreciate how informative his videos are? I love this!

Ruben Clark - 2021-03-09

Where did they get mice in the hospital? Always love it when they say might, possibly, probably!😉

00000014 - 2019-11-30

Lol, playing a news clip about the same study while you say 'but this is of course just 1 study, let's move on'.

Budget King - 2019-12-12

That thing about a glass wine in a week being good for you got debunked a long while ago.