Karl Jobst - 2019-04-05
Doom has one of the oldest and most storied speedrunning communities on the planet. Recently, a 20 year old world record on the very first level was beaten. In this video we take a look at the history of this level and the journey that made this new record possible. We also examine in greater detail the small details that make up this speedrun. Please follow me on the following platforms, it really helps me! Patreon: http://patreon.com/karljobst Twitter: https://twitter.com/karljobstgaming Twitch: https://twitch.tv/karljobst Discord: https://discord.gg/EjDRvg7 Thanks heaps to 4shockblast and Looper for helping me with research! Music: At DOOM's Gate (Doom 2016) The Healer Stalks (Doom 2) Dark Halls (Doom 3 Classic) Illusive Man (Mass Effect 2) At Doom's Gate (Ultimate Doom) Unused Song 2 (The Flintstones)
"A second is a long time" -Speedruners in a nutshell
@NoiseBomb 35
Animal crossing speedrunners Well... Yes but actually no
Hours of practice for that second so yeah its a lot
1 second is all it takes.......to become an absolute legend....
(The Hobbit reference) a 100 years passes in a blink of an eye for a speed runner
Woah.. who's that handsome guy in the HUD on the game. I bet his very Popular with the women.
Yes yes and he kind of looks like you! Oh and sorry that you were kicked from the millitary what backstabbers i bet those portals theyre making will summon a demon invasion im happy you did not shhot the guy they told you!
@FreedomOrNothin Get an education why? Because he used an extra comma. Completely unironic idiocy.
Ok
Call me
Lol your kinda hot ngl 🥵
Demons: Did you see something?
The other demons: No, just a green flash..
@PokeLordOmega I think you are
from the BFG.
@PokeLordOmega cube box square
Demon: And you Mike? M-Mike?
The only demon killed during the run, just before the second door
@Alberto oviedo fuentes I saw him 😂
8 seconds huh?
tries it..
gets stuck on the first door.. RESET!
Second attempt : gets stuck on the last shotgun guy.. RESET!!!
100th attempt : Does it flawlessly but gets stuck on the last imp.. RESET!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last attempt : Does the run perfectly but STILL gets 11seconds!
like wth??
Is THIS even posible on CONSOLE (PS4)?
Git gud, strafe run more
umm. hate to break it to ya. ps4 too powerful for baby doom. sony no want baby game. sony dumb.
@PP Unknown Seriously, I've gotten well under 11 seconds on mobile.
11s isn’t too shabby, I assume it’s a first PB. If you wanna go for a better time then put some elbow grease in, you’ll get a better time if you practice the strats and abuse RNG a little.
it's totally possible. i got surprisingly close on my ps4
"after more than 50,000 attempts..."
gulps
Npesta beating kenos: lmao 360,000+
Quake e1m1 took 70000 for the latest record
@DemXey he achieved something so It's not waste of time
Yeah, i put like 2000-3000 attempts in a single level for wr. 50000 is a ton, even from a speedrunner’s perspective
Pedro Romano lul i have 20 times that in terraria
"Even though I don't speedrun Doom" - equals the record that held for 20 years..
Karl you're an absolute machine.
@tylisirn but think about how the payoff for getting the 8 must of been a way bigger achievement due to this
@I don't want to put my name DOOM replays rely on input files, so you can very easily time the runs by counting the frames. I think Goose did have a video with Goldeneye, but all of those arguments go out the window with a radically different game.
@BTF_Flotsam Except even though that's the case, the ingame timer is still #1.
Also wouldn't number of frames differ between machines? I know Doom isn't exactly hard to run, but still.
@I don't want to put my name no, the game runs at a stable 35 FPS or lower, if you have 512KB RAM and no graphics card.
Where does he say that? I missed it somehow
I was 10 when it came out, I remember watching my brother play for hours. I remember just being dumbfounded at how my jehovah's witness parents let this slip by lol.
They thought smurfs were evil ffs
@Engineer Techno Well, the witless ARE easier to control so maybe education IS a sin to organized religion.
(This. Is. A. Joke. Do not come flying up my ass over it)
@Rebellions Well... Have you ever watched a channel called Telltale?
Doom is the most christian game ever. You fight demons. In hell.
I mean, you're killing demons
well you are KILLING the demons and not like being friends with them or whatever
as someone who has never played doom and has no idea how the mechanics work, thank you for explaining the important shit in a succinct way, made watching much easier
Same :,)
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I am like 999 damit
a.k.a Ambrose NO ME LIKE 999
@SHA SHA SHA UwU UwU UwU How do you download it? I play on xbox but very curious how I can get it to my computer. I'm sure I could search the internet for it but I'm dumb.... LOL
Haha this is soo cool 😊
Karl: "Doom speedrunners share a very strong comradery"
Player K: "You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt"
Thing is that he's referring to real speedrunners
I may be doing this a bit too early, but
Karl Jobst: *makes this video*
4shockblast: *spends over a year trying to get 8.97*
depr4vity: *gets 8,94 in less than a year*
Yah
They proved it could be done. THE BARRIER WAS BROKEN.
Me: Pfft, this looks easy! I could do that!
Me, 2 hours later: Thank you for your service, sir
I played the first episode (cuz it was free) so many times that I could wake up a bit early before my summer job in college, get ready for work, play the episode completely and be on time for work. I don't remember exactly what how fast, but I wanna say it was around 10 minutes. I know that's not even close the record, but back in 1994 I thought I was hot shit.
Sure, it was hot back then, but the 8 second run takes the cake for hot shit.
Doom was the best game of the early 90s!
Hot shit might actually be the correct term in your case
I doubt you beat the entire episode in 10 minutes, that would be a speedrun time in itself
@joshAKAtheman i mean, all 3 have been beaten in 20 by now so 10 for the 1st one, while incredibly impressive, isn't a speedrun.
“But rather, working as a team to achieve something special.”
The doom community sounds really wholesome for a game about brutally killing demons, and killing other people.
It’s a kid friendly game!
Shock’s run had 3 damage boosts.
Dam 52 had 3 damage boosts.
🤔
Dude
We all know well what that means...
HALF-LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!
🤔
Looks like we have a trend emerging from the shadows...
The original 9-second E1M1 run from Thomas also had 3 damage boosts.
They are very similar runs on a deeper basis: they were the WRs on the first levels of their games, and were notably long-lasting. They also cut time through what could only be described as insanely good movement.
I can't even imagine the relief and satisfaction that this guy felt!
>>relief
>>Satisfaction
I had the same problem before.
Solution appeared to be simple - I got married.
I get my relief and satisfaction daily.
I can't even imagine the big disappoinment looper still has today because of that failed run :(((((
I pity him so much
a4yster cool story bro
@a4yster I'm a bachelor, so pooping is my "outlet." xD
The Jester - Fool Of Hearts wife. I said wife. In 8 weeks I will even have a living proof that it ain’t a fleshlight. Gonna be a boy.
I'm still trying for 8 seconds...
It's all I do...
My life is dedicated to it...
So many sacrifices...
...dropped out of university, dumped my girlfriend, blacklisted my friends, quit my job, sold all my possessions bar my PC, sold my kidney, disowned my family, castrated myself so sexual urges couldn't distract me.
I've given everything to E1M1.
I want you to speed run chasm ;)
YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND
That would be me I'm already half-way there
Doom is love doom is life
E1M1 is love, E1M1 is life..
Karl “This is the first time I played doom in 20 years”
Also karl gets a 9 second run on hanger
He's still a world class speed runner lmao
Has 45k+ subs
Gets 1.8M views
Axl DeJesus he gets tons of views on his vids compared to his subcount
@ou812urgtgf Thanks captain obvious. He's making the point that he deserves way more subscribers for his good content
well that's normal
I played Doom the day it came out. The only speedrun I did was to the bathroom..
This game truly made me shit my pants!
dddmemaybe Who isn’t a legend here??
I played it in high school lol made my teachers shit themselves because it was "too violent" then i got kicked out of the library at school for playing tetris lmfao fucking tetris!
If you shat in your pants, it doesnt make sense that you speedran your way to the bathroom.
@C4_567 I was originally thinking to change? But then that leads us to the question on why his clean clothes would be in the bathroom. This comment is truly a mystery
Hahahahaha.
"Playing it when we where younger" ? I still play doom this days with my 40 years =)
Agreed, I have a PS1 and my original Doom disk under my Tv even today.
16:31 50,000 attempts? How mind-numbingly boring would that be? this guy has some willpower
@Cheeki Breeki it's called pure willpower.
If you really want to do something and dedicate yourself enough you it will never get boring.
I am from the Geometry Dash community and we have level that took 100k - 200k attempts to be beaten ONCE.
You just need time and keep yourself motivated.
Be hilarious if some random guy who just played for the first time beat it
@Nick Cranston What, and you're not correcting him for saying the failed runs were explicitly over 9 seconds, plus endscreens? I'd consider at least 70 hours to be reasonable (especially since it's over 50,000 attempts).
@BTF_Flotsam k
I remember Ocelot! I played with him on Zdaemon around 19 to 16 years ago. He's a cool dude :D
He's Pretty Good!
where is his facebook? i need to congrats that man
When you start talking about loosing a few frames, I feel glad that I'm a casual.
No hate on the speedrunning community, I just couldn't put that kind of pressure on myself.
I wish Summoning Salt uploaded this frequently.
"And this how i got to school"
-Parents
The thing that bothers me about the 8 second run is that no matter how hard I try I can’t beat 14 seconds
Edit: my Pb now is 11 seconds
Gg on improving it, my pb is 10 seconds and going for 9!
PP Unknown TELL ME HOW TO GET 10 PLEASE! I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 2 MONTHS NOW AND I CANT BEAT 11
Strafe running is important, time doors correctly and just damage boost a ton
Literally the best I've gotten is like 13 or something on hurt me plenty. I need to git gud lol
I just got 9 seconds on too young to die with heavy usage of SR50 in the green room. I’m still going for 9 on ultra violence
Edit: got 9 on uv speed fuck yes
"I have not seen a single game website post about"
Probably because game media doesn't report on games.
@TheHylianJuggalo It's a joke. They said...this is 2019
@Jamien We don't really have a say in politics anymore. Unless you have 1 million followers or something...nope.
Our online arguments might seem very nice but it's more about going with the flow or against it, you can't change the direction anymore.
@Maniae Official Read my comments, please. You will see that I'm not talking about the grand "democratic" process.
@Jamien ah yes helping someone which can be Political because power is involved, I see
politics rarely do any good to me
These "history of [speedrun]" videos are entirely too enjoyable for what they are. I hope you'll continue to research and produce them, and maybe even other Doom engine (and Quake) runs in the future :)
Cheers :D
Image of a black hole and sub 9 in Hangar - great times for our species.
Lol, you believe that's an image of a black hole? Yikes. Interesting times certainly.
@Epic Rivers You think it's a plasmoid instead? That's what some people are saying.
@Danny from New Orleans its gay
@Epic Rivers t. space scary :( not real me enlightened
@Epic Rivers yeah it's space god stretching his bumhole
Bought this game for the first time ever lol just a few hours ago and I wanted to see if I could speedrun hangar and atm the best I can possibly do is 11 and I did probably like 100 or so attempts if that and got like probably 30-40 11s, feels nice but I wanna be able to get 10 cuz I’m not going for single digits and I know 10 is definitely possible
You bought it? You could've downloaded it for free.
for the first time ever, have u never played doom
@MrVercettti89 i played waaaaaay back, but recently I downloaded the game around 7 years back.
Speed runners are people that just spend time to take less time
when 8 seconds cost you 20 years, I rather take the 20.
Just watched a 18 minute video for a 8 second speed run. Totally worth it
they didnt take that long to beat the record, theyr run were nearly a full second faster. Only the terrible ingame timer made it nearly impossible to ''officially'' beat according to the timer only. Its still amazing they finally managed to beat that rigged timer lmao
Like most things, Doom was made for a purpose, which was not speedrunning, and for that purpose the timer was fine.
I didn't even realize wen I first watched this video i was by Karl Jobst, an amazing golden eye speedrunner. His voice sounded different than I remembered
I really Love how Karl uses this happy and motivational song from flintstones after showing the broken record while explaining how it did went that way - like explaining how something really, really big happened
You didn't say anything about the manipulation of RNG. Doom doesn't have a real RNG system but a table of numbers that everything draws from. That's how you can have a file with the players inputs and recreate the whole run. Shooting, even at nothing, changes the enemies behavior because it would jump to the next number in that "RNG" table. I think you should be able to see that "RNG" table somehow.
Yeah, that's most likely why shock was shooting in some of his runs.
Correct, the acronym you're looking for is PRNG (P = Pseudo). All Doom monsters are placed at exact points in the level, and on E1M1 they can be in the way hence the pistol shot to "wake them up" and scatter them around more (in the hope a quick route through the middle will open up). It's only when they're woken and need to start moving that the PRNG kicks in to help decide how each will move. You can certainly build a TAS bot based on this PRNG table to do the level in a perfect time, but speedrunning is more about what humans can realistically do in real time than TAS.
@L2 wait I'm confused I thought all video game rngs weren't really random to begin with
@StaySkeptic Yes, rng in games is never truly random. However in Doom (and likely other old games) the rng is so simple that it can be manipulated to achieve desired results. I believe it is still mostly luck in "manual" runs because there's too much stuff happening to predict the effect, but it can do miracles in "tool assisted" ones: search for "icon of sin done pacifist" by Zero Master if you haven't seen it.
Someone just(21 days ago) beat the 17 years old record on the second level "E1M2: Nuclear Plant" with 1 second!
YouTube Algorithm has brought us together
I like how you casually dropped your 9 seconds run like it was nothing :D
@bayj0nes I wouldn't say anyone. It's obviously a lot easier now knowing the exact strategy but still difficult.
@ch282 if it's 8 sec Karl will be super confused "wait, how do I make this video now?"
Prob nonchalant cuz it wasn’t Ultra Violent difficulty OwO
Tea Roll hate to break it to you but as an actual practicing surgeon this stuff is waaaaay harder. But for us if we mess up the patient will suffer tremendous morbidity or even mortality so there isn’t the benefit of failing or resetting 50,000 times. You have to get it right the first time every time. But open heart surgery is trivial compared to the skill and hand eye coordination required for these types of speed runs. It’s not the hands that make the surgeon, it’s the judgment.
@goodmaki but he has not played doom for 20 years
"fond memories of when we were younger" laughs in zandronum
Am just loving these videos you are making. On my 3rd view of this one. Your commentary is EXCELLENT!
I am 35 now and remember playing Wolfenstein and Doom on my friends brothers like 486(maybe even 386?) pc waaaay back and it definitely was the shareware Of Doom...
When I got a PC in 96 I got Quake first and then a Doom pack maybe it was Final Doom?
I even bought the TERRIBLE conversion for the Sega Saturn and when that sucked I got a budget version of Final Doom on the PSX...
Quake was really my PC game...I must have spent more time on that than any other game, even Quake 2. When GL Quake came out I was blown away and then when I got a modem?? Whole new world was opened up for me.
I won’t ever forget the SUPER long Quake 2 v3.20 at a whopping 20mb! But it had the multiplayer pack for CTF...and the grapple hook...goddamn I wore out a mouse playing those two games!
Even after all this time it’s so cool people are still engrossed in this amazing game. Doom 3 was great too and I definitely liked the reboot, but nothing really beats the classic Doom and Quake especially the latter for atmosphere.
As a massive NIN fan I have been waiting for the Quake soundtrack to come out on vinyl. It was so atmospheric. Trent’s soundtracks for the likes of Gone Girl,Social Network and Bird Box really show how far he has come but the roots of it were in Quake...
Great memories, thank you for great content! Usually the algorithm sucks on YT but it definitely gives you a gem now and then and your channel is diamond mate!
"All hes doing is moving backwards from a door, how is this so incredibly difficult?"
And then you explain it.... ! ☺️
Ok, I tried this myself after watching this video and...
15 seconds on my first try
13 seconds on my second try
12 on my third try
11 on my 30ty-ish try
10 seconds after my 100++th try.
MAN, this is tough!
I won´t be able to get under 10 and even 11 seconds is already not all that easy.
Considering not touching anything and getting frame perfect doors and enemies being kind to walk out of the way I can see the 50000 tries.
What annoys me the most is the slight delay that sometimes occurs right when the level starts. Can ruin it instantly.
random guy: "there is a 1/100.000 RNG chance to skip a frame in a 30yo game"
speedrunners: "hold my beer!"
Spreedrunners: "I'm a dumb fucking nerd with no life let me waste my life and breath and over a year on this 30 year old game" but alright lmao
@Martin Päär I know dude, you should go do something about it - I'll hold your beer.
This is an edited comment watch out! 😭
It's not real rng. Doom uses a deck system in place of rng. If you "count the cards", so to speak, you can predict outcome. Did you notice, on the final runs, the shots? Each time you shoot, a card is drawn. By forcing the deck to move, you force the enemies to draw certain cards, which then allows you to control fate itself.
Famous last words, right?
I love youtube, never thought I would care about someone running the first level of Doom in 8 seconds until this day.
My father introduced me to Doom when i was like 5-6 yo. We used to play the game together actually. I was doing the shooting part (just pressing ctrl) and he was moving the Doom guy. It's a game about shooting monsters, it's fun. I'm 25 now, he's 51. When it comes to video games we still have a lot to talk about bc he used to play them as well.
But ... if i show him this video and let him watch it entirely and ask his opinion afterwards, i'm 100% sure that his answer would be " For the love of satan why would anyone dedicate their free time to achieve this".
"You have to press 4 buttons at the same time to execute SR-50"- or just add some macro to your mouse/ keyboard
Isn't it truly amazing that a 25 year old game is still one of the most decorated games ever to be made? Think about it, Doom has such a huge legacy that it's one of those games you can add a ton of mods to and make it twice as fun and entertaining to play. Now that this record has been set in stone I guarantee you that somebody will find a way somehow to beat E1M1 either on UV or Nightmare! under 7 whole seconds. This game truly amazes me and I'm still in awe of it's beauty and design. Doom 2016 tried to recapture the entire gameplay of Doom but, was not quite able to.
Super Saiyosh - 2020-01-09
I like to think that these speed runs are actually Doomguy needing to take a piss and going through hell just to find a washroom
Humam Ghazal - 2020-08-08
That's the funniest thing I've ever read roday
Triangulum - 2020-09-01
breaks reality and glides through the void to go piss
Toxik Thrasher - 2020-09-14
Where does Doomguy shit?
CyberSlunk - 2020-10-17
@Toxik Thrasher Down a demons ripped off neck hole obviously!
Vile-Flesh - 2020-10-23
OMG I needed this laugh bro. You made my day.