Mentour Pilot - 2024-12-29
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I knew the pilot of ET 302, met him many times. One day, I was standing at the forward galley, asking for water, before we took off. A man exited the cockpit, and looked like he couldnt be more than 22 years old. He told me he was the pilot, of course I was shocked. he was kind, gracious, humble man. From time to time, we would see each other in Addis Airport, and I flew with him again, and used to jokingly call him, ''my son.'' The Ethiopians are such kind, humble people. May Yared Getachew rest in peace
I am sorry for your loss..
Thank you for sharing your memories of him
Rest in peace Yared. Your efforts were not in vain.
Sorry for your loss.
to everyone calling this bs: you guys wouldn’t really know would you guys?
I love that you include these "you didn't notice" segments to shut up everyone who says "I would've noticed immediately"
They could have just kept trimming tho, I mean why would they stop trimming up
@@supremelord8605 idk, but it's been consistent over all these crashes, the pilots do not really trim up more than 1-2 seconds. I'm no pilot so I hope someone can chime in, but what I get from these videos is that it's highly irregular to trim more than just a few seconds, so the assumption is "trim button is not working"
The stabilizer is very powerful, and therefore large, sudden movements of it can easily induce an upset (as we see at the end of this very video!). Therefore, pilots are trained to use their trim buttons only in extreme moderation. It would go against everything he had been taught about trimming for the captain to jam his finger onto “nose-up” and leave it there for twenty seconds. Given a little more time or fewer distractions, it’s possible that he could have realized that this was necessary. But while acting on instinct and habit, it’s just not something pilots do.
@@supremelord8605 well you have to take into account the situation they were in. SO many things were happening at once and they likely didn't even understand at the time that the Electrical trim input that they were inputting did basically nothing because MCAS was way more powerful and faster. They technically would have needed to trim for tens of seconds for anything to change in the trim but then again, MCAS would just come back and change it back to worse.
@@Schaddn but when you trim the wheel moves so they would have known that it was working tho I’m open for correction.
it’s crazy how everything discussed in the video happened in only 6 minutes.. truly heartbreaking
Yes, exactly - and that has to be taken to notice when judging about the performance of the pilots. They did the very best possible in their situation, but this situation was simply overwhelming and they had no chance for winning the battle of their life.
It took a lot longer than 6 minutes for investigators to find out what happened. If you have to choose 1 first (which was a choice the pilots had) then they needed to re-gain control before working out what was going on.
But how did all those white pilots land the plane in simulation? Must have been racism voodoo in the air. Or maybe some Charles darwin.
All I know is the stress of that 6 minutes has them physically and mentally, emotionally had to completely exhaust them
Yeah it can't be understated the pressure these pilots were under and how hard they fought
My father was on this flight. This was the worst moment of my life and it’s still affecting hundreds of families worldwide. The Ethiopian airline management has been incredibly helpful since day one and i wish I could say the same about Boeing….. but unfortunately that’s not the case.
I so sorry. May he rest in peace ❤
hugs 🫂❤❤
So sorry for your loss… may his soul rest in peace
I’m sorry for your loss. God be with you 🙏
trzymaj się :(
As an Ethiopian, I can say that Ethiopian Airlines is more than just an organization for many of us—it’s a symbol of national pride and achievement. The crash was a devastating event for the entire country, and it struck especially close to home as my town was nearest to the crash site. I’d like to say እናመሰግናለን [inameseginalen](Thank you) to Petter for providing such high-quality content as always.
If the pilot in this video is any indication of the skill and courage of the rest of your pilots then your national honor was only increased by this sad incident. All blame accrues to Boeing.
We feel your pain.
Even in far off Australia we hold Ethiopian Airlines in high regard. Such a shining light for that part of the world
Don't be fooled by Boeing fan boy. He is paid by Boeing to deflect blame away from Boeing. Your pilot did a great job, but this guy is paid to defend Boeing and pass the blame to him.
"Looks like Boeing may have just killed another ~175 people, but on the other hand, doing something about it might be bad for the shareholders" re the latest flight disaster Jeju Air South Korea. Don't fall for this nonsense, he is paid well by Boeing to produce videos saying this stuff!!
The flight that crashed Boeing. Those poor pilots, literally fighting the aircraft and figuratively fighting Boeing's systematic cost-cutting policy. This is really heart-breaking.
It is criminal. Blood is on Boeing's "hands."
Worst part is: no one is going to prison for this, Boeing only needs to pay some fine. There really need to be reforms to corporate law, so that management / executives are personally liable for a company's actions.
Flight that crashed boing was merger with McDonell Douglas.
a boeing also crashed today in south korea
@@Giulsgiulss Oh no.. there is video of it too.. overshoots runway and slams into a wall.
I am a cabin crew and I was flying in MAX in between those two accidents. I wasn't (and many of my colleagues) too happy about it because a) we were primarily on airbus and b) the Lion Air accident wasn't really solved in my opinion. So when I was scheduled on MAX flight, after the briefing I asked our captain what did he think about the accident and MAX and he said and I'm quoting: "It was a crew mistake, we are better trained, so don't worry about it." Two days later this accident happened and they grounded MAX's and I'm not kidding when I say every single one of my collegues (possibly all over the world) had the same thought: This could've been me.
It's sounds arrogant to say we're better trained. If the pilots were from developed countries like from USA or UK, I kind of doubted if they will save those 2 max planes.
@@andikardian9014 Yeah, that's the point. They weren't and they aren't better trained. But that was the thinking at the time, that Lion Air just had incompetent pilots when it fact it was a ticking time bomb and pulling a short stick.
Wow
@@andikardian9014 it does sound arrogant, but bear in the mind that the media and Boeing pushed this narrative back then, "everybody" thought that not only 1st world pilots
I bet that to this day he still remembers what he told you. I think that he really believed that, so it must have been a shock when he understood the truth
I think the end of this video hits the nail on the head. MCAS was never a needed system for safety. The function of MCAS is for Boeing's bottom line, trying to quick fix a losing battle against their rival. In a perfect world it would never exist and Boeing would develop the true next generation of aircraft instead. Even if the problem is now fixed, a lot of people are scared to fly in Boeing aircraft because of the sloppiness they showed in the MCAS example. And I must admit I also feel uneasy thinking about how they cut corners that should have never been cut.
Not helped by, just as the world was getting back on its feet, Alaska Airlines losses a door plug midflight and the absolute insane Quality Control problems that brought to light.
1. Save Boeing money
2. Confuse the shit out of pilots and crash planes
You should check out his Mentour Now! videos on the Airbus A220! Especially the one entitled "Did Boeing give Airbus a free airplane?"
Boeing actually had the opportunity to buy a stake in the A220 when it was the Bombardier C-Series, which could've been the plane they needed to compete with the A320neo, which was the only reason they built the MAX to begin with.
BUT instead of buying it they tried to kill it with a bogus trade complaint and got tariffs imposed on the C-Series after Delta Airlines decided to order the C-Series instead of the MAX. Bombardier actually offered Boeing a chance to buy a share of the C-Series program again at that point, but they turned it down. The sanctions against Bombardier ended up getting overturned, Boeing lost a contract to sell F-18s to the Canadian government, Airbus ended up buying the C-Series for $1 and Boeing ended up putting out an inferior plane... that caused these crashes, all because they preferred to cut corners and do things cheaply than spend money on a good plane. And that's going to keep biting their butts for years
As a programmer, the fact that the computer systems didn’t immediately disable MCAS, the autopilot, and the stick shaker as well as all the safety protections when the AOA sensor disagree malfunction happened is baffling. If the sensors don’t agree then all of those systems aren’t just useless, they’re dangerous.
So many of these accidents are caused by automation taking cues from faulty sensors. It shouldn’t be completely on the pilots to decide what to do in a vague situation like this while simultaneously trying to figure out which systems have gone wrong. At the first moment of disagreement, have all automations shut off and have “direct law” to use airbus speak, apply. Manual controls only for all systems. An aircraft taking all automation away is less scary than a phantom problem that cannot be diagnosed while the aircraft is moving weirdly
I work in the Oil & Gas and chemicals industries and worked with the control and emergency shutdown systems used. All ESD systems use 2 out of 3 voting for sensor inputs; control and ESD systems can detect when signals are out of range and flag them as faulty; the development of smart sensors that can diagnose faults; operators are able to over-ride faulty signals. This means the control and safety systems remain functional when there are sensor failures.
I just made the same comment a few minutes ago. Baffling indeed. Boeing put their own dubious interests above public safety.
But there's only one sensor active at a time. The algorithm alternates on different flights. So there's nothing to disagree with, unless you mean that the program should disable MCAS if the sensor gives a nonsense reading. Another fatal flaw is that the program had no limit to how far and how long it would command the stabilizer trim to keep going until it reached obviously deadly nose down angles. Just a dumbfounding program. Unbelievably dangerous.
I have the same background and commented basically the same thing when Petter released his first videos on this a couple of years ago. In critical systems like this, 2 is 1, 1 is none. Of course, an airplane manufacturer like Boeing knows this, which made it even more baffling..
However, in lieu of the revelations of questionable quality control etc. throughout the organization which has come to light since then, it doesn’t really surprise as much.
It’s a cultural thing that runs deep and will be extremely hard to change - I honestly doubt they’ll be able to do so, but I guess time will tell..
@@michaelhansen7516 Indeed.
As an airline Captain approaching retirement, after nearly 20,000 flying hours, I fully understand the operational requirements, tasks, and actions these two men were faced with. The extreme challenges encountered by this crew were completely unexpected, strikingly tangible and deeply relatable. By the end of the video, I was physically nauseated and emotionally drained. I can't think of a better testament to the exceptional quality and realism of this presentation. I would say “kudos”, if it was not an understatement.
Wow. 20k is amazing.
This video had the same agitating effect on me. Other videos have deeply moved me, but here it really was a combination of (a) extremely heavy pulling, (b) a battle they could not win, and (c) pure despise against those at Boeing responsible for continuing to keep the truth under wraps after the deadly warning of the Lion Air disaster. They never faced persecution. May it be a heavy yolk pulling at them for the rest of their lives for the sake of the passengers and crew whose deaths they could have prevented.
I pushed the red button to make it all stop. They didn't have that option.
Having to constantly pull back over 100lbs on a control stick would exhaust even the most jacked body builders.
Truly sickening actions by Boeing, in the end the simulator ended up mandatory, the system was super faulty when released to the public and after a truly horrible accident to shift the blame to the airline and pilots, just despicable.
After two horrible tragedies maybe the 737 Max is super safe, but it shouldn't have taken this many lives to figure it out, mostly when it's plain and obvious they were cutting corners at every turn@@Eddyspeeder
Outstanding work, Petter! Netflix can't hold a candle to your explanation of the 737MAX/ MCAS and what happened with Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines crashes. It's refreshing to see a social media outlet report the facts, causes, remedies, and outcome without any sort or rhetoric or sensationalism. This truly pays the proper respect and tribute for the loss of life. Keep up the great work! PS...your "didn't notice" is very effective in illustrating human behavior of missing items when focused on the primary function at hand....in this case, flying the plane with myriad distractions. That puts things in very clear perspective for the non-aviator. Excellent tool!
The PBS Frontline piece is also very good.
I agree, that kind of 'live demonstration' of a principle is absolutely world-class! Love it
Netflix doesn’t even deserve to be mentioned, they’re a joke
He literally lied though. He has a political objective with his video because those who made the plane and flew the plane were brown. I’m past the point of just having fun making fun of people like you now and really wonder for the future of our kids if you’re going to do this every single time.
@@GhGh-gq8oo, what is the point of your comment? It makes no sense. Who lied, and what political objective?
This is a really good example (in an unfortunate way) of what happens when companies get greedy and cut corners.
This was one of the most covered accidents in the last decades for sure and yet this video gave so much more insight on it.
I was always under the impression that using the stab trim cutout switches would've been the solution that would've solved everything. My heart sank when you explained the impossible physical forces needed to do it manually under these unforeseeable circumstances.
Thank you for the incredible work!
I was thinking the exact same thing, i remember shortly after the accident an airline pilot posted a video of how to use the stab trim cutout switches in the event of MCAS failure.
me too, this changes completely how I see it
What i find odd about the stam trim cutout switches in off position is then no trimming is possible, making a down trim situation incorrectable...all very complicated!
@ I probably have to watch the video again but from what I gather the pilots were exhausted physically from pulling on the yolk with 90lbs of pressure, hindsight is 20/20 but while both were pulling back a third person such a as a flight attendant could have turned the trim wheel.
@@janmale7767 Well the idea of those switches is to correct a runaway electrical system, like shorted out motor wiring. So for that application the way these work is correct. But not having another cut out switch for every system that can actuate the electrical trim is an oversight. Or as someone else pointed out having the automation systems shut themselves down when they detect implausible data. The Airbus direct law is exactly that I think.
one of the things that always gets me, is that they are obviously getting the “too low, terrain” warning, but not a single person at boeing thought to tie that into MCAS and make sure that it stopped pitching down if it sensed that the aircraft was too low. like I get that it was often used at takeoff when the altitudes were already low, but I feel like if you already have the radar and positioning sensors that can warn you about altitude, it shouldn’t be that hard to write a line of code in the MCAS that would disable it in the case of another one of those warnings. seems like a “terrain” (i.e. you’re about to crash the goddamn plane) warning should supersede any of the other automated systems that may be providing pitch down input…
it also makes my blood boil that MCAS was literally only supposed to provide simuLATED YOLK FORCE so the aircraft “felt” like the old 737s to handle. at what point does it make ANY sense to give a system designed simply to make a pilot feel more comfortable the ability to catastrophically control the aircraft, ESPECIALLY when its signals are based on a single point failure ?!? like good lord… I work in aerospace & defense for a direct competitor to boeing, and there are DOZENS of levels of checks & balances to ensure that no mission-critical function can ever operate on a single point failure. I’m so heartbroken for what all these pilots, passengers, and crew had to deal with because of boeing’s greed, ignorance, and megalomania.
Excellently stated. Fully agree.. Boeing were criminally culpable.
They simply gave 0 thoughts to the "what of the system fails" question. (Or deliberately ignored)
Exactly! I'm sitting here thinking, "You didn't code in altitude failsafes... why?" Or consider that the only/most likely reason a pilot would be flying manually outside a certain distance from ground would be a failure of automatic systems *which would mean co-indications that would hamper fault diagnosis*??
You're actually right. They deliberately ignored all checks just because of profit.
A horrible company
I knew a UNICEF member in that flight, my father's coworker. I always called her Aunt Anne, she also lived in our apartment complex near the Khartoum Airport, departing on this very flight for a work meeting. That last week at had met her and I dont think at the time it had really registered to me what had happened, throughout that week until the day of her funeral. She was a really sweet individual, and for me it was one of the pivital moments that got me interested in the story behind aviation. Rest in peace aunty, and thank you for inspiring me. ❤ 20:35
I'm so sorry for your loss. The best of us are often taken too soon. 😢
A friend of mine was there too.. Ironically his name was Max
Ever since the Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crash, I became borderline obsessed with this accident and aviation (in general). I spent month reading, watching and listening to everything I could get my hands on. As well as conversing with any pilot I could engage with. I came to the conclusion that much of the aviation world was wrong about what happened on that EA Flight 302 and I tried all that I could to do those victims justice by getting out the word (perhaps to little effect). Petter, you just told the story I've been telling to anyone who would listen for years. I can't thank you enough! Well done!!
sure you did buddy
@@Joeydeez07lol, why would he make that up?
when i started to love aviation naturally crashes was something interesting and quickly became afraid of MAX planes like from boeing and honestly new boeing aircraft
@@Stripesheal18 Because internet?
These two MCAS videos are the best thing I have ever watched on this issue - so much for the whole industry to learn from. Very professional work from you, Petter, and your team. Many thanks - Paul
Petter's team's reiteration here of MCAS understanding was not a repeat of their LION video it was a further enhancement. Great education.
@@daveelliott7715 thanks anyway, but I think I'll just simply drive my CL 600 to the location I have to go. I never wanna fly again.
This hurts my heart. These poor pilots. When they get failed by the system, it's so hard to watch. How terrifying!
They were incompetent and their incompetence killed a lot of people.
No@@Drunken_Master
@@Drunken_Master sounds to me like Boeing and their training was incompetent and lacking. And THEY killed a lot of people.
@@Drunken_Masterexcept they were not incompetent
@@xthereaper8434please don’t feed the trolls
I knew several people on this flight, and it was absolutely heartbreaking. Thirty-two of my fellow countrymen lost their lives that day. The pain and loss are unimaginable, and it’s something that will stay with us forever. May they all rest in peace, and may their memories never be forgotten.
Murdered by Boeing. I am so sorry for your great loss
So sorry 😢❤
I'm sorry for your loss in an accident that shouldn't have happened.
So sorry for your loss. 🙏
So sorry for your loss
Huge kudos for explicitly mentioning you were in on this "pilot error" angle originally.
Important to remember everyone: "it only occurs with the autopilot disengaged" is not very reassuring when all these multiple failures usually cause the autopilot to disengage because the aircraft cannot rely on it's instrument's data to fly it safely
Isnt that insane? How did Boeing even think someone could land an aircraft, that freaks out when the autopilot is disengaged? They created a dilemma instead of a solution and that should have been clear right away. Also, that they obviously didnt even try out in a simulator what happens when the trim is already way down and stab trim gets turned off shows the arrogance involved.
@_Dibbler_ Oh I certainly think that they intentionally downplayed the severity of MCAS to categorize it as minor to avoid sim training. And so they conveniently "forgot" catastrophic factors such as "the fucking system resets when it's trimmed so it'll continually re-engage," "the issue with the AOA sensor means MCAS will always activate alongside a slew of other failures that need prioritizing as well," "the runaway stabilizer procedure wouldn't be defaulted to when MCAS does not act like a runaway stabilizer," "pilots that do not know MCAS exists will not be able to respond in a fast and appropriate manner," and this one, "autopilot will disengage when the broken AOA sensor causes seven different failures in the span on 30 seconds."
@ on the "the runaway stabilizer procedure wouldn't be defaulted to when MCAS does not act like a runaway stabilizer" note; internal Boeing documents that were released (leaked, maybe?) showed that they actually did expect pilots to respond to erroneous MCAS activation as if it were a runaway trim scenario. Then, after the Lion Air crash, Boeing released a pilot bulletin stating that the runaway trim procedure should be a memory item (a not-so-subtle way of saying that the Lion Air crash was caused by poor pilot training and not by their murderous plane).
They really thought pilots would treat MCAS activating for no fkn reason, over and over again, as if it were a runaway trim situation, despite it not behaving anything like said situation. It was straight up criminal negligence and it boils my blood to this day that not one person from Boeing was held criminally responsible for the deaths of 349 people.
I used to watch Air Crash Investigations/Black Box because i was interested in the mechanics of investigating ait disasters etc.
The only thing i didn't like was the sensationalising they did.
Your videos from a pilot manage to give the details without being dry.
You are doing a lot of good work here petter and i've been watching since the very start.
Keep up the sterling work and Happy New Year!
Same! me and my mum were avid ACI watchers, but since finding MP I can't stand the overdramatization of the incidents, I'd rather have the clear facts in order without being thrown back and forth in timeframes like they used to in ACI and Seconds from Disaster.
@ToniTerrier good to know other people find the sensationaliaing of mass death distasteful. Which begs the question why do they do it?
@mitchyk sadly I think a large demographic of television watchers prefer the drama of a story rather than the details. So the programs are designed for them.
@@mitchyk they need to do it for the network to pick their show. I personally enjoyed watching ACI. While being more of a dramatization, it was by far the most informative compared to the rest of the documentary. Also, the main reason for the popularity of ACI genre on Youtube is due to the success of Natgeo's ACI. I have asked my colleagues and friends, they all state the reason they watch this genre on youtube is because of their familiarity with Natgeo's ACI. As bad/good as it was, it clearly paved way to amazing content like this.
@@F1SHY99 Indeed, exactly. And it has the merit to point out worldwide the necessity of safety management for the airline business.
Hindsight is a truly wonderful thing. Anyone who thinks they could do better would never know until they're suddenly thrust into a situation unlike most have expected or experienced before.
Exactly
Truth
tbf, all he had to do was trim. It was clear he realized at some point it was the altitude vein. All he had to do was trim with the joystick. But ya mcass was designed stupidly to begin with.
@blaynestaleypro trim for like 10 secs which is completely against everything you're taught.
@@MentourPilot I'm not a pilot nor have I had any training. My "instinct" was to try something similar to the "roller coaster" maneuver. It just seemed like it MIGHT have a chance. Btw, I pressed that "red button" for you RIGHT AWAY.
In the beginning I was one of the people that believed that although boeing was negligent for not mentioning MCAS to the crew, the crews were still wholeheartedly responsibile and the crashes could have been avoided. That was my assessment as a general aviation pilot proceeding to the airlines. Listening to famed NTSB investigator Greg Feith analyze the facts and come to the same conclusion helped solidify my thoughts.
Your coverage of both accidents proves that there is so much more to the story than I, someone who thought they knew the facts, actually knew and understood.
I have since changed my mind after watching both videos and although i still think the crew could have done better in certain areas, at the end of the day, it was actually an incredibly hard scenario and not as simple as flipping the cutout switches which is what i initially thought.
Thank you and your team for your hard work and diligent research. It is truly the best aviation content on youtube.
The real blame falls on the hands of the FFA, that approved (certified) this airframe. A single point failure should never be approved at this level of control. Boeing is also at fault for promoting a design with a single point failure.
It is commendable that you admit your mistakes - that's the best defense against arrogance taking hold over your mind :)
After watching this video, I know that the pilots could have saved the plane.
But only if they had known exactly what to do, which was impossible.
It would have been insanely unrealistic to flip that switch back on and trim up continously for maybe a full minute non-stop (or even more!), while visually verifying he trim setting slowly returning to normal, and then flipping the switch back off when the plane was in trim again.
That's the only way I can see out of this situation....
But anyone thinking sooooo far out of the box would be nothing but a total hazard in literally every other situation, so they should never make it through flight school in the first place 🥲
@ysw8291 Out of all the people in the aviation community, you are the type of person who pisses me off the most. I myself am a "colored" pilot, so maybe I should go out there and do something reckless because, hey you know what, I'm colored and I can do no wrong 😁.
If you read my comment fully you would have seen that I have changed my mind and no longer blame the pilots for the crashes. PILOTS, not colored pilots.
In crash investigation pilot's are judged by their actions and perhaphs prior training and history, but not by their color. I explained that after analyzing the facts and reading the actual crash reports, I initially thought the pilots were at fault. After seeing the full picture, I no longer think so.
Safety has no color, risk management has no color, and good aeronautical decision-making has no color. If YOU think that color makes a difference, maybe YOU should check yourself and take your racism elsewhere.
From the initial reports I also blamed the pilots, but not since all facts came out. It was an almost impossible situation to handle. Could captain sully have saved the flight? Maybe. Could all pilots be Sully from the first day? Absolutely not.
When you bring up "I think the crew could have done better" that's a very simplistic statement that I hope you've put a lot of thought into. Many probably argue that a lot of pilots would have acted in the exact same manner... One thing to be behind the yoke and another the computer monitor
Wow, request for pilot training is "dangerous" precedent, but a system that can fly an aircraft full of people into an ocean is not dangerous enough to mention in the manual?
Guess "dangerous for profits" is more important than "dangerous for human life".
Yeah… it was pretty awful
Exactly, even after getting such a great presentation of all the technical facts my mind only goes to the fact that Boeing ignores any common sense as long as it will increase their profits, safety be damned.
Yeah but you're forgetting, if the pilots had been American, something something
I used to fly with Boeing a lot, I guess I'm just lucky to be alive...😳
For a company of this size, human lives are nothing but a resource like gas, oil, electricity, metals, machines. All we can is accept this fact and accept that some lives will be sactificed and there's no way around it.
Not often I get full on chills down my back during a youtube video, but as a 29 year old guy in aviation - just imagining what that captain was going through and how helpless the entire situation must have felt made me tear up after the impact. Incredible storytelling and a phenomenal breakdown as always, thank you for all you do.
All they needed was a simple switch, MCAS on or off. As well as avoiding the accidents, pilots would most likely only used MCAS until they got used to the slightly different characteristics of the revised aircraft.
Calling Boeing a bunch of clowns is an understatement. I wonder whether the designer of MCAS had designed anything more than computer games in the past, where the reset button gave him another life.
If it was not so sad, it would be funny.
If I was a cartoonist, there would be a series of cartoons, "Boeing's flying circus".
It only became a helpless situation after about 4 minutes of his own actions.
@@xyzaeroBoeing bootlicker I see.
Thank you so much for doing this. I waited for 2 years for you to make this vid.
Yared was a family friend
I’m so sorry.
Im sorry for your loss 🖤
He wasn't even an REAL pilot ! He was just an AP pilot !
I´m sorry for your loss, too. May he rest in Peace. He did everything possible to rescue the aircraft and the lifes of the people on board.
So very sorry 😢❤
Only very recently became interested in aviation, and have found this channel to be not only very educational, but incredibly enjoyable to watch, despite the topics of course. Thank you, and your team for all your wonderful content ✈️
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This Max series is just a MASTERPIECE by you and your crew, Petter. Congratulations! This channel has gone from the best aviation channel to one of the best channels in YT as a whole. Magnificent job! 👏 👏 👏
Those poor pilots weren't just dealing with one problem. In their minds they were facing many seemingly unrelated problems and then to have a system that is constantly undoing what you are trying to correct is crazy.
Not just undoing it, but actively making it worse each time you try to fix it
@@biosparkles9442 I cannot imagine their fear, trying everything they could come up with and having the plane making it worse. Truly terrifying.
Added to the fact of being only 1500 ft above the ground 😣 that adds another layer of pressure. It’s the imminent doom of being too close to the ground, any wrong action can result in a crash in just a couple of seconds. Altitude and airspeed are the pilot’s best allies.
Like Sisyphus, constantly pushing the boulder up the hill and failing... Only the people onboard didn't do anything to deserve such punishment
@@biosparkles9442Yes, expect pilots to make mistakes when you don't even train them for this issue.
Petter, these are two of the best videos you've done.
As an engineer it reminds you that whatever you're working on, the first 90% of the work is designing it to do all the things you know it needs to do. And the second 90% of the work is, "Okay now let's try to sniff out everything we haven't considered."
And that's hard! To get out of your own bubble of "confirmation bias" that you've thought through everything. Super important to have outside perspective for those, "Well what happens if..." situations.
Yes, it seems that The FFA did NOT take their regulatory and auditing role seriously at all.
I have no aviation experience I am just a passenger. BUT I do fly 2 times a year home to South Africa from Hong Kong and always fly with Ethiopian. They are in my opinion one of the best airlines. I also found that their pilots are great. They nail each landing perfectly and soft and smooth. Turbulence also handled great every flight. I have found over the years that flights with them is much smoother than other main name airlines.
I'm am from Kenya, neighbouring country to Ethiopia. And as I watch this video today, the same day that another tragedy happened in South Korea, it's very horrifying!
Very sad
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Indeed.
Yes I wonder what happened in that crash 😢
@@juliemanarin4127without knowing the primary result why the landing gear was up: my guess is that the "spoiler arm"-switch was on "auto" and not "manual" and therefore waited to deploy the spoilers until the Sensors in the landing gear signaled a touchdown... thus the speed was never really reduced (by drag on the runway) and the rest... happened.😢
I fly f16 out of nellis. I'm close to my retirement and have offers with most of the main airlines... I've watched your videos now for a few years and must say you definitely have the most informative detailed content on every single major event in recent aviation history. Going from having responsibility for two lives to 400 is a big change. One of the main things that I've taken from watching your videos is most of the time it doesn't matter how much experience a pilot has, a lot of this just sneaks up on you and there's nothing you can do. Those of us that have wings and live in the clouds feel invincible anyway. Keep up the good work
You have my dream life.
"...a lot of this just sneaks up on you and there's nothing you can do." Yes, 'stuff' happens. I would say that there's a lot of preventable stuff and the aviation industry has spent a lot of time and money in making it preventable. I know hindsight is a luxury, but it seems to me that the whole MCAS tragedy was preventable. All Boeing and the FAA needed to do was act with more responsibility and attention to crucial details.
Lucky you
Thank you for your service, Sir. I salute you. Keep safe Shipmate.
My young Nephew wants to be a pilot - do you have any advice - any sites - any books etc, that you would recommend? Thanks.
"Press the red button; press the red button NOW." Yikes! Never thought I heard of an airline pilot saying that in a simulator before today.
SAME
What does this actually do?
@@ralfrudi3963i think petter said it stops/freezes the sim
@@ralfrudi3963relieved the poor pilot or didn’t you watch it??
@@jt8273 Yeah I got that, but what does that mean and why was it so urgent to press it?
Is it bad to crash the plane in the simulator? Can you rewind or change something and try again?
I am just wondering why it was so urgent.
I love how you always try and provide a justification or possible reason for the pilots actions. It can often be difficult to understand their situation but your justifications really make it clear just how stressful the situation must have been and so why they acted the way they did.
Yeah, these pilots weren't watching a video on MCAS, they needed to consider a lot of different things, only hindsight can tell which ones were relevant. They did their best.
> I love how you always try and provide a justification or possible reason for the pilots actions.
"I don't know why they didn't use the trim switch" is hardly a justification. Even if MP tried hard to justify the pilots, he still didn't, because some of their [in]actions are really unjustifiable.
@@onebronx Easy to say when you have all the time in your sofa.
@@tholo86 go get your ad hominem brownie points
You know it was a huge tragedy when one local, very hated, politician from my country received unanimous support and condolences from everyone after losing wife and 2 kids in that plane.
Agreed, that kind of tragedy shouldn't happen to anyone whether or not they are liked/disliked for their politics.
Probably says more about how good-hearted Ethiopian people are.
@@justvid366 NuSpirit_ wrote about Anton Hrnko - slovakian politician
@@AN-12345 Indeed. But if it happened to Trump or Biden, I can guarantee that a large number of people would be unable to contain their glee.
@@6yjjk Oh how I wish I could disagree with you here, and that's incredibly sad to me.
Thank you for this greatly explained video. I am an Ethiopian and we are very proud of our world class airline. At the time of the accident my colleagues insinuated this was likely pilot error just because it was an African airline and I took it personally and argued this would likely be aircraft issue since our pilots receive rigorous training. As you pointed out the two pilots were fighting a losing battle with an erroneously designed system and in the end couldn’t avoid the tragedy. May God rest their souls and everyone onboard that lost their lives.
It's a shame that he doesn't properly address the racist reaction to this incident. He talks about 'online rhetoric'. But the immediate blame was put on the airline, and there was a racist undercurrent to these accusations.
I didn't think I would learn anything new after all your excellent previous videos, but your explanation that MCAS would trim down far faster than the pilots could trim up is truly disturbing.
The thing is the pilot trim switch would always override it anyway so it shouldn't matter but for one reason or another, training, muscle memory or whatever, they would just never do so more than a couple seconds. Far too little to counteract and usually not even in time to interrupt the MCAS input. With how it seems pilots actually use the trim system they should probably replace the switches with just a single button to set it to zero the yoke forces.
@TheAkashicTraveller literally trained from day one only to trim for a couple of seconds not bloody ten that would of been needed to stop MCAS, end of the day boeing knew it was a problem but just happy to leave it.
@@TheAkashicTravellerBeyond what the other guy said, having a "reset-to-zero" button might be problematic - or at least, said "zero" would need to be calculated prior to takeoff, since trim is also used to correct for the aircraft's loading being off-centre. In other words, resetting the horizontal stabiliser to the exact middle position is not necessarily what you want.
But I think it actually might be a good idea regardless; a reset button next to the override switches.
@@TheAkashicTraveller Yes, muscle memory failure. When automation confusion reigns go back to manually flying the plane, manually control the thrust levers for appropriate settings, disconnect auto pilot, level the plane with using trim until stick forces are reduced (not for two seconds). Too many of these incidents involve wrestling with the automation instead of switching it off.
@@TheAkashicTravellerthey were having to pull up so hard that they couldn't trim! The wheel was stuck! And it takes 15 turns to get one unit!
It's so infuriating to think that a senior pilot from Ethiopia asked specificallaly about mcas and was just hand waived away. People should go to jail for that
It's really sad
Lion Air asked for MAX simulator training before the plane went into service. Boeing told them no basically. Internal emails show that Boeing staff referred to them as “idiots.”
I feel so sad when Petter says "well, we will never know for sure". You know it's a bad ending.
Tbh in this one most people would know from the beginning cuz it's in pretty recent history so we all remember the news.
My friend Max died in that crash… It is still so raw. This is the first time I actually will listen to anything related to it… Everything else was always sensationalism until now…
So sorry you lost Max.
May your friend rest in peace
Sorry for your loss. These plane manufacturers will pay for what they have done, some day.
My condolences. ❤✝️🕊
Saw another comment by you "ironically his named was Max"... Are you for real or are you just a troll seeking to joke by naming him Max...? If not you have my condolences... RIP.
The Ethiopians must be incredibly proud of this gem of an airline. I'm so sorry for the souls lost on this flight.
We really are. We rallied around to fight negative misinformation around the accident. I remember Ethiopian was among the early customers of the 787 as well and when battery issue started to occur, some idiots were commenting “how could they afford such brand new airplane”.
@@AbebeAmare Westerners are manipulated in such a way they end up thinking the rest of the world is made of cavemen led by military juntas.
Media tries so hard to hide that there's other systems in the world that works better than the western one.
It's hardly a gem if you read Bernd Kai von Hoesslin's "Wasted Warnings." A whistleblower and pilot for ET, his book is a vivid glimpse into the inner workings of a highly corrupt airline that tried its hardest to deny deficiencies and never take responsibility, as was the case with their flight 409, 2nd guessing investigators who clearly found the real cause of that crash.
@@AbebeAmare If it helps, i worked in a training center at an american Airline and most pilots respected Ethiopian Pilots. When my previous director, who was also a test pilot, told me about this incident, he told me that pilots knew this wasnt pilot error because Ethiopian Pilots were well respected and known to be great pilots in the industry.
Its always the media and business people trying to find a scapegoat.
@ you are nothing but a troll and know nothing about the airline.
"Thats why most of you didn't notice that the background of my office has now switched from white to blue, or that my cup is different" <- this right here was an AMAZING way of showing our natural faults as humans. Once again Captain, you prove that we are truly just students when we come and watch these videos. Thankyou for all your hard work in finding new ways to teach
Even with MCAS aside, it seems to me really weird that one faulty sensor is allowed to cause such a mayhem in the cockpit. Stick shaker, faulty speed readings, faulty altitude readings etc. It causes such a stress and workload to pilot that it just creates perfect environment to cause even more errors and problems. Such a powerful point of failure should either rely on multiple sensors or at least detect the faulty sensor and disconnect it.
Absolutely. Its surprising that such systems could ever be certified and approved for use. Adding the even worse MCAS system on top, and you have the complete disaster. So MCAS is now neutered to only try to f*** up once and then stop, but I wonder...are the rest of the systems still as brain-dead as before?
Started as an anxious flier many years back, now I watch as an intelligent flier with many trips under my belt. These videos are phenomenal and the entire team deserves so much recognition. I will continue to give credit to this channel when it comes to slaying my flight phobia - and I will also keep sending others like me to those early videos in hopes that they also get hooked and can watch incident analysis not in fear but genuine curiosity.
That's great for you! As someone who was never scared of flying before, this channel just makes me more scared 😅
with the recent series of plane crashes, i've been getting nervous for the 4 back-to-back flights i'm taking next week, but for some reason watching this channel makes me feel calmer. as horrible as these incidents are, the fact that they're learned from is comforting. thank you for all you do petter
I was thinking about flying back home in a few months. Probably won't go anytime soon.
Are any of the flights on a 737? If not you're ok
The community learned from it, but not Boeing nor the FAA. MCAS is still there, and they still fly and sell MAXes. We had a 4 year grace period after the crashes when things were safer, but Boeing simply doesn't care again. That door that came off could have downed the plane, and Boeing are fine with that possibility.
@@ynemey1243 "Boeing are fine with that possibility." Where is your proof of that?
@@Edax_Royeaux That's a nonsensical question.
I have been watching your videos for quite a long time now, and I gotta say, the quality is insane, and it has noticeably gone up in the past few months. You have a thorough understanding of all the systems and can explain it so well. You are able to describe the situation and the emotions in such a great way. Nothing more to add than a thank you. You are the frontman of the aviation community, and I am convinced that thanks to you, a lot of people now take interest in it, are better informed, or are no longer scared of flying.
Thank you for the video. A colleague of mine was on this flight; he was a former Protestant pastor and environmental activist who passed away. Especially in such a sad context, it feels good to see the video and hear your explanations. I like your videos so much that I’m now considering getting a single-piston engine pilot's license! Thank you and Happy New Year!
Im sorry for your loss.. but thank you for your kind words and best of luck with your training
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@Augfordpdoggie - 2024-12-29
Ethiopias airport is pronounced Bo Lay
@armosinz1944 - 2024-12-29
How is the comment older then the video?!?!
@czarnyrobert9219 - 2024-12-29
Do you know what could be the purpose to build a mound (embankment) at the end of runway in Muan airport where 737 crashed yesterday?
On this embankment they positioned the approach lights. But why build such immense structure ? If it wasn't there, the plane probably would stop on the grass few hundred meters away.
@timoooo7320 - 2024-12-29
Are you really not going to address the MASSIVE amount of misinformation that you put out in your last video about lithium ion batteries?
@Wind_Wonders - 2024-12-29
@@armosinz1944scheduled video