Joe Scott - 2024-08-26
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When my son was about 6 and got into some trouble he said "My brain made me do it". Thanks for bringing back this memory.
To be fair - he wasn't wrong.
Calvin "My brain is trying to kill me".
I think my favorite kid speak was how a friend explained to his mother why he was in a swimming pool in dress clothes--"I fell in accidentally on purpose."
@@ggarber4763 haha and they mean the whole sentence, too
From what I understand the going theory is that a kid's mind doesn't fully coalesce until ~8 years old. Before then, they basically have multiple personalities that all have different ways of exploring the world. It's possible your son meant that another part of their mind took control and made him do it
For those who, like me, just wanted to get to the point of how any of this disproves free will:
It doesn't disprove free will, the title is clickbait to get views, and it works.
It's still interesting stuff, well worth watching, but don't expect the elusive truth of consciousness to finally be revealed in a YouTube video.
And this is why I went to the comments first. Thank you.
You are amazing thank you!
yeah this doesn’t disprove free will at all, but the laws of physics don’t allow libertarian free will to exist
@@mmediocahyt1170This is a blatant lie
@@matthewclark1857 feel free to make a counter argument. I’ll elaborate on what i mean. Your brain is matter (fact) and all your thoughts, emotions and desires are physical events occurring within your brain (fact). If we break it down to the particulate level, we know that every single event is either influenced by another event and this causal chain eventually terminates outside of your brain (you can’t control something that’s part of a chain of events that began outside of your brain) or it terminates into something with no prior cause, but then it’s random and you don’t control randomness. Superposition doesn’t counter this and emergence doesn’t counter this, they still all adhere to the laws of physics. There’s no evidence of a spirit or soul and no evidence that anything immaterial can influence the material. So you’re left with an organic computer that’s ultimately programmed by its environment
As someone with OCD and a lot of daily intrusive thoughts I really like this. I often get wrapped up in feeling bad about my thoughts because I feel like they are coming from me, but knowing that they aren't and on top of that I do actually have agency over my actions. The thought that there is no free will has always scared me considering my disturbing intrusive thoughts. Great video!
Fellow OCD sufferer here! Absolutely. This video is gonna do wonders for my health lol
Imagine being the right half of the brain after the surgery. Suddenly you are unable to talk, but you hear your mouth saying you're fine, and you don't have any control over it. You try to communicate using the left hand, which you do have control over, by messing with the right hand. But your silent screams are simply brushed off by saying "huh, that's interesting" and other justifications. Must be super scary.
YOU GET IT!!! there's two people in there! but if the left isn't experiencing any fear (or doesnt express any) I don't see why the right would be. they dont even know they're separate
@@bagelj7011true. Sure the right brain can’t talk, but the left brain can’t solve puzzles and doesn’t see the problem…
I don’t believe the right side has the equipment to be emotional.
It’s the same brain it just shares tasks between each other because it’s more efficient than having a giant mass of neurons all fighting over how to react/respond to the same signal.
“Brain said it’s my turn to use the human!”
You're personifying part of your brain - a part of your thought process. It's not a complete person separate from yourself. It doesn't have its own separate ability to be scared. Remember the bit in the video where one side of the brain was shown a person burning in fire and the person as a whole felt nervous and uncomfortable as a result?
@@irrevenant8724that could be because of hormones, the side of the brain exposed to the stimuli triggered the fight or flight response and since they can't comunicate with each other, the other side of the brain didn't know where it was coming from, it just suffered the physiological effects of the alarm, and it only caused feelings of discomfort and uneasiness, and the brain without any clear danger in sight and only the chemicals signaling to get ready for one, applied said response to everything, remember he also said the girl said she didn't know why she felt that way and blamed the room, the other people, and so.
There is a saying I will paraphrase roughly from the original language into English: "Thoughts are like birds, we can't choose if they land on our head but we decide whether we let them build a nest in our hair"
i like this! what language is it from?
@@KelseyHigham Originally I heard it from German!
Allow your thoughts to come and go, but don't offer them tea.
One can engage in exercises that develop the capacity for more creative thinking, i.e., the occurrence of more frequent novel thoughts..
There's a deeper saying which is man can do as he wills but cannot will what he wills
I like the part of the story when after they had been cutting people's brains in half... for quite a while... 20 years, they then thought, "you know, we should research the effects of this?"
Well, if it also wasn't their free will to cut peoples brains, and not theirs to not research it, who is to blame really? ^^
Scientists nutshell.
It just goes to show we're so much better than those people in history who can't defend their own actions now from us.
The response to "You can't punish me because without free will, I didn't CHOOSE to do something bad!", should always be, "Correct, but I can't CHOOSE to NOT punish you."
😂
This is why there is no right or wrong because you don't decide what's right or wrong
@@jestersage8700 I don’t get it
Uh.... no. Following the logic thats the exact opposite response you should be giving
@@JS-wp4gsWell you see they can’t choose not to have that response
I don't know why but I got a little emotional when he said the left hand started trying to help the right hand do something it was struggling with. Like sometimes our unified brain has a hard time showing compassion for ourselves, and this split brain still found it somehow.
THIS!
I mean we literally do this all the time as unified brains, the left hand holds the paper while the right hand writes…
I get migraines a lot and my left hamd is so used to helping my right hand do stuff when my right side is not responding to instructions.
When i heard that I heard it more as, “ok moron let me show you how to do this since you’re too dumb to do it yourself”
It has nothing to do with a compassion. It sounds like you're not getting as much compassion as you want.
Oh hey, it's me! But mine was not from an injury or surgery, my corpus callosum just doesn't work, and never did. I'm a bifurcated personality, and my hemispheres communicate through other areas of my brain. It's like I'm two people in the one driver seat. Like having an/two imaginary friends but I'm actually both people. We literally talk out everything I do.
Thought I was normal until people talked about their inner dialog and I was like "yeah I hate it when we can't agree on if we like a food, but it's great being able to teach each other stuff" and everyone else was like "wat?"
I hear the word of the things I see, which makes loud environments more difficult to see, unless the loud is music. But I can learn two different subjects at once, which made university rather trivial. I have more poems about bookkeeping than the world really needs...and yes, getting dressed is a real chore sometimes...
This is endlessly fascinating. Do you both dream? Do you have deep talks with each other when you relax/at night? What about music; does one prefer it over the other?
@@CelAbration I've done sleep studies (with the ERG I think, the wires on the head) that showed I alternate distinctly different REM periods, so yeah I suppose "we" do dream separately, but dreams are so weird I don't know if it's really different. (my psychologist is more interested in this part than I am, so she gets me into studies and scans for free a few times a year).
Yes, "we" talk each other to sleep, I have to do it in order to wind down and fall asleep. When I was in university this was the time I would explain the two different subjects to each other (and why I was able to get my undergrad in 3 years while working). If I don't do it, I can actually stay awake (useful sometimes) for about 3 days before hallucinating, which I think is an about average amount of time, but I can talk myself out of the hallucinations so I don't do anything foolish. I could also get to sleep with physical exertion without the conversation, but I will literally forget what happened the previous day until someone reminds me of it and I'll be able to vaguely recall it, like I watched it on TV weeks ago.
Music, yeah I need either a good story/lyrics, or great flow, and not both. So; karaoke songs or EDM, and very little in between. Similar issues with movies, and who to date, and foods, and clothing (I just have two wardrobes now), and cars (I have a car and a pickup now) and bed (I have a bed and a hammock so I can switch) and hobbies (so so many hobbies)... therapist thought I was just a very strange ADHD, but nah, just two different goals/opinions on everything I do.
As far as trying to make music, I can't do any instrument that requires both hands even though I have the dexterity to do other skills requiring both hands. I can solder or thread a needle with ease, but I can't play a recorder. I can keep a beat on a drum, and rock a harmonica or pan flute, but as soon as I try to introduce the other hand I'm out of sync.
As someone who works in healthcare, this is incredibly interesting for me to read.
@PaulB_864Nah I'm more integrated than a traditional split-brain. I'll just get dressed like normal but I'll miss match like crazy. Like not just mismatched colors and textiles, but mismatched seasons. Like insulated jeans and a crop top, or shorts and a parka, on average I feel like the temperature is just fine so I don't notice how insane I look.
I had to put a smart-mirror near the front door so I can see the weather and my calendar and what I'm actually wearing before I leave the house.
@@notgump1312 I mostly see the same world you do, I just have two opinions on it.
"my ideas arent my identity & it's a lot easier to change your mind on something if it isn't tied to your identity" i absolutely love that (edit bc i cant spell lol)
Very relevant now, right before the election. The amount of times I’ve heard “I’m liberal” or “I’m a Republican”. Imagine if we all thought “Why is my brain making justifications for the fact that I’m voting for this politician?”
@@gingerpickett6958 it's called "cognitive bias" (also "heuristics")
Its wild how an idea can be tied to your identity
lmao I typo all the time, and still get thumbs up, it's a pain when I have to do a 180 and fix mistakes 🤣
my spelling is so poor, i had to turn off autocorrect because it was always way off
From someone that has suffered a lot with the concept of identity + bpd's emotion dysfunction that comes with harsh decision making times, I gotta say: this is now my favorite video on this platform. My left-hemisphere-gnome is very satisfied, thank you very much.
20 years ago I fell off a mountain. As I fell, my mind seemed to split into two people. One was literally screaming for my mom. The other was calm and thinking so this is how I am going to die. The calm part could hear the screaming but it was like listening to another person. I did not die, but as the rope snapped tight and I stopped falling. The two me's continued to exist for a while. Then there was some mental reset button and I had no idea who I was or where I was, or what I was. I was just existing. Then it all came back together. That was the worst and best day of my life. I was basically high as a kite for 24 hours on all the endorphins.
This is basically a form of structural dissociation so your brain could process the trauma. Look up PTSD and structural dissociation theory!
That's so weird, but in a cool way
Thanks for mentioning you survived, i was worried for a second!
Oh my, that is so interesting in so many ways, the brain is amazing and we truly have so much to still learn it is very exciting to think about
Now imagine your mind doing that because of past trauma and it just unfold while you are sitting at work one day and you just quit your job and move back home and wonder how you almost died just from mental anguish and heartache. Like the body has a self-destruct built in for impact.
"my ideas aren't my identity" hits hard
Your identity is also an artificial construct, that's why some people with very little self-awareness can change positions on topics very fast
Not really.
But it is an interesting insight and leads me to believe there may be different scenarios for different people.
I for one get ideas that almost exclusively match what I look at as my identity and who I am. To hear that someone says they don't is interesting and a bit worrying.
@@1kreatureIt took me until I was about 20 years old before I started seeing my self from the outside, and started being able to analyze myself like I did other people.
Initially I felt slightly self conscious about having lived life as if on a pair of tracks, without conscious input, just reacting without understanding.
Later I realised that a significant number of people never "wake up", and sleepwalk through life, which really bummed me out.
As an old fart I've come to understand that it's a lot more nuanced, and this video gave me the words I didn't have before and has made me less dumb :)
@@1kreature How about looking at it from the perspective that your body/brain interacting with environment produces your mind. It's your biology that creates you. Find strength in realizing you are an evolved animal, perhaps first among Earthly animals, but still an Earthly animal.
How about: Your body and its experience creates who you are.
@@petermiesler9452 That's just it. No news then. Been operating under that assumption for over 20 years.
I do understand however that many have not and are not. It is still a bit worrying.
When I was about 15 I had a kind of painless migraine that shut down my ability to conceptualize language. My mouth and vocal chords worked normally, and I had things I wanted to say, I just didn't have any vocabulary whatsoever. Even my internal monologue was wordless. Very active, but wordless. It was a very useful experience.
I once had a migraine that caused my hands and legs to curl in and cramp in a locked position and when i tried to talk ( i could think straight) it was coming out completely jumbled, like saying toes instead of fingers and other words that i wasn’t thinking but were coming out instead, very frightening ! Migraines are a hell of a thing to deal with arent they
I have ADHD and I have a major execution problem where I cannot choose to being a task whenever I want, and or I fail to execute a task in the given time window. My disorder has impaired my ability to choose to do a certain task irrespective of the interest I have for it. It a strange feeling to live with and a highly impossible situation to explain to someone. Sometimes when I am interested in a certain thing, I just cannot stop myself from working and perfecting the task but if I have no interest there isn't a power in the world that can make me do it for the sake of it.
It's such a helplessness that almost feels like I am a passenger in the journey of my own life. I have been on therapy for a year, and it has helped me to build mechanisms to build discipline, but it is so flimsy that a moderate life event can break open all my routines and scaffoldings for a daily life and throw me into chaos. Sometimes I wonder If I have any power to choose my fate or am I destined to go with the flow.
This really resonates with me! I wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until later in life, it’s still a struggle to come to terms with my neurodivergence, but at least the diagnosis was validating. I find that Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) really helps me to put things in perspective. Highly recommended
@@CagedLeo I thought CBT is more effective for ADHD to help manage in the moment thoughts, loops,and executive functions, and as DBT is more for personality or mood disorders?
I’m medicated and have been in therapy for years. Your words are so damn Accurate it hurts. That’s the absolute worst part of ADHD, all the executive dysfunction in the world is nothing compared to losing good coping skills you’ve learned and painstakingly taught yourself. They shatter like so much glass when life gets stressful and you lose the will to get them back in place.
We have the same experience. I've recently decided to stop fighting it and let my brain fully drive my body.
I don't tell anyone about this in my personal life bc I know they think it's BS and that I'm just lazy.
@@darkriku12 as someone with ADHD who's used both, I find DBT is more helpful because with CBT, my Justification Module has a really easy time just ignoring the CBT strategies, where DBT lets you externalize the justification process in a way that lets you be a more active participant and really helps cement healthier outcomes. Thanks to this vid for helping give me the terms to explain what Ive struggled to articulate about dbt for a while now!
“But WHY did you click the video?”
The chair spin, Joe, the chair spin.
I was so surprised when it happened I stood up and smiled stupidly
Then I thought this might be an old video amd I was confuses
that sweet sweet bongo riff
The free will thing is very frustrating to me, because my view is not that we don't have it, but that it doesn't even make sense conceptually. A reasoned choice but without being deterministic nor random just doesn't make sense as a thing. It's not a weakness of our universe, it doesn't make sense in any universe.
Nothing like having click regret for the first 30 seconds or so,
not a good sign.
I once heard a quote that stuck with me: "If the voice in your head is you... then who's listening?"
obv you
Also me. I sometimes even say my thoughts out loud to help me process and contextualise them. This is just sophistry.
Hey, don't judge me for talking to myself
You
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I love the interpreter module being so confidently wrong but also being able to come up eith playsible explanations nonetheless. It's so...miraculous.
Reminds me of LLMs just confidently lying about stuff
It’s the bulls***ter module lol
Fitting words considering this entirely explains religion and why we follow it dogmatically.
@NoirRaven No, we don't. If you CAN observe human behavior, you see the opposite is far more prevalent. Practically no one follows-- in action-- religion dogmatically.
Are you ok?
@Butterscotch_96 omg ive seen that. So funny
0:19 Incorrect. I added it to my watch later playlist about 3 weeks ago. The decision was made so long ago, that I don't even remember clicking the video, therfore it's predestined fate.
Same. But what made you come to your watch later list and click this piece now? I mean to say that you and I could've been doing something completely different in the time.
SaME BRO
Uh yeah...no you DECIDED TO! a mindless robot doesnt decide what to do on its own if it has no free will. You arent a robot
ahahahha, same i literally clicked on this video weeks ago, watched 5 minutes of it, then 500 web tabs later i came back to clear it finally...
Likewise. I've had this on my to-do list for weeks,, mostly because I want some background material for a DNI concept I'm working on.
I have a cousin who had this surgery, as his seizure were getting so bad it was going to kill him.
Now hes fine when it comes to epilepsy!!! He does have a couple small physical handicaps, but he’s doing great, working, finished school. Im proud of him, as I know it’s been a hell of a ride for him. Thanks!
I've heard that people who have seizures are deficient in Glutamine
@@nerychristianglutamine is an excitatory neurotransmitter. Dont think it would help in the scenario of seizures
I am very interested how your cousin feels about this syndrome? Does he know he's affected by it? This might be really cold or heartless, but is it possible if you can ask the "right" side of your cousin if it knew of this phenomenon beforehand and was it only the left-half that is surprised by this information?
@@comradepeter87 Bo, its not cold and heartless, its just an honest question.
Of course he knew as one side of limbs are partially palsied, but he is totally mobile except for one hand.
The seizures of course he knew about as they got worse and worse. Medicine was doin little, if anything at all.
He is doing quite well. He works as a cook and wants to start culinary school soon. He hasnt had any bad affects from that surgery. Im grateful that good doctors helped hm so much.
@@jeffdishong4853was he particularly paralyzed before the surgery or did the surgery make him particularly paralyzed?
As someone who has OCD and PTSD that plague me with intrusive thoughts, this is also very freeing. It reminds me that I am not my thoughts and I can more easily dismiss the horrible ones and get on with my day without ruining it.
We do indeed have free will however associating your thoughts with who you are is a bad idea all together for several reasons. The first question you should ask is who is you? Is your body you?
You and your body are separate entities, your body is just a vehicle for you to control. Such as your brain is simply a vehicle, even your mind isn't you, your mind is the software of the brain.
When you strip everything away you realize nothing is you, when your body takes its last breath you are left with you. You don't get to take everything with you when the body dies and when a funeral is held it's held in memory of what everyone thought you wore PAUSE think deeply about what that means to you.
You are not that body laying in a casket, it's a marinate puppet for you to pilot to experience life's offerings.
Not only your mind records things but information is also recorded and stored within your DNA. This is why many of us carry personality characteristics from our parents or other family members despite not knowing them or not have spent enough time with them to know what their personalities are like to emulate their character.
I remember before knowing my dad he used to think I was not his kid.
But as I got older I looked more and more like him I had a lot of his personality traits despite not being raised by him I was so much a like him.
there is far more going on around us we are just not very aware of. Like there's information we're picking up on and we receive that information in the brain and think because we had this thought it's our thoughts, we own those thoughts than and judge ourselves for them. That couldn't be any further from the truth, we do not generate all of our thoughts, however I am not sure to which degree we are picking up thoughts from the information field and how much is our own thought's we're generating but the point is you do not need to identify yourself with the thoughts.
Our brain remembers things for our survival's sake and if you are constantly having negative thoughts you need to let them through and stop resisting them and fighting them. Your resistance cause them to come back and not only that but cause harm to your body. sometimes you need to feel things and let them through you so that negative energy is finally burned out, we have to process our feelings not hold onto them. If you hold onto them It'll create a block and this will in return harm your body and destroy it. Just like if you turn on the water hoes and tie it into a knot while the water is running eventually somethings going to burst, this is like your memories and negative feelings. You have to let yourself feel them and exhaust them, when their finally out of you, you will feel better. Resistance negative thoughts is like tying a knot in the water hoes while the water is running, how long can you keep that up?
You are not your experiences, at your core you are love and light, but you've lost yourself in all these things you thought you wore, which brought you pain because you've created this misunderstanding of who and what you are. we are all spiritual beings, controlling this body, experiencing everything we are not to find out who and what we are.
THIS
Be sure to take a shower and get yourself clean, real clean.
@@raijin7707 "We do indeed have free will"
Citation needed.
Well yes. If Descartes is right and that the mind and the body are 2 separate things. We are our body and are a vessel of thoughts. What precisely are our thoughts, visions and feelings is unknown. From an evolutionary perspective it is perhaps better for us that we don't know these things.
This is making my head feel weird. It's always fascinated me how complicated the brain is, so complex it doesn't even understand itself and we have to do decades if not centuries of research and experiments, but now that we know the things we do, I feel like my right brain isn't happy learning how trapped it could be.
Weird cuz it's my left having the existential crisis rn (if the right hand nail biting I'm doing is any indication.)
@ are you left handed? Otherwise that’s just your natural hand choice.
If I'm remembering correctly, Kim Peek was able to use his eyes to simultaneously read two pages of books independent of one another. Each eye could read a different page. He's the man that Dustin Hoffman portrayed in Rain Man. Later, it was determined Mr Peek had FG Syndrome, not autism. I believe this was due to his brain hemispheres being independent of each other. His abilities were amazing! A true savant.
No wonder he was such a good driver.
I read that AH-64 Apache attack helicopter pilots/gunners eventually get to the point where they can control their eyes independently from so much use of the monocle gunsight/display. Wonder if they could read two things at once?
@@MattH-wg7ou lemme ask one ...
@@MattH-wg7ou wow! That's amazing.
Im TRYING to read two comments simultaneously at once now 😂 i can't control each eye but i can absorb a little bit with peripheral vision. It hurt my head lol
One thing that always frustrates me is not being able to hold onto a thought while walking through different rooms/thresholds. I'll be in my room and think of something I want/need to do and as soon as I leave the room that the original thought occurred in, it becomes absent from my mind. It isn't until I return to the room the thought took place in that it comes back to me.
that's just context switching, it's weird but it does help, usually
I remember learning that apparently the brain often stores memories by location, so that's why you forget when walking though a doorway.
That's called "The Doorway Effect" and is unfortunately pretty common. It's a short-term memory dump.
@@Arcana_Jester This is fact. However its also easy to combat. If you. Lets say you need to get a screwdriver from two rooms over. If you bring a screw with you to remind you of why you are where your at, it serves as a reminder. Maybe not preventing the memory loss but it does anchor you.
we are Sims 😔
I had a severe head injury in my early 30s. I'm 46 now. On the one hand, I seemed to get smarter. I was always good at fixing things and building things, but I was terrible academically. After the head injury, I became interested in so many things that I had no interest in before. I started reading,playing instruments, and seem to be able to remember so many facts and statistics. On the other hand, I stopped working out, became careless with money, started drinking and taking drugs a lot, and started taking massive risks in general. It's as if I lost impulse control. Many of my opinions on things became the opposite. I took a couple of IQ tests. One was 114, and one was 123. I have no doubt it would have been much lower beforehand. But if I could, I would go back to the way I was. I was fit and strong, self disciplined. I had lots of money and assets. My house,cars, and possessions were all neat and tidy. Now everything is a mess. Everyday things I once enjoyed doing seem pointless now. It's like I became a different person.
Ah, so you lost some function in your Prefrontal Cortex.
@littlebitofhope1489 Losing abilities is one thing, but I also gained some. I don't understand how a head injury can do that.
@@Tonymarony5113 That's fairly easy. When one part of the brain is damaged, other parts can compensate, and there is some repair that happens where the damage originally was. When another part of the brain has to compensate, what it is actually supposed to do may be strengthened too. Also, when you aren't using one function, other functions get stronger. It's like people who lose the use of one arm, and the other arm becomes stronger, and you can more things with it. If you are right handed and lose it, you can become left handed, and since that uses a different part of the brain, your skills may change too, even though your arm was damaged, and not your brain.
@littlebitofhope1489 That makes sense, thanks.
Head injuries are monsters who change who you are.
If your injury was severe, what kind of treatment did you get? Do you still see a neurologist?
You can get an evaluation with an occupational therapist or a speech pathologist, and ask for strategies to improve your struggles with executive functioning. You need to keep to do lists, and set routines and alarms as much as you can because it's not natural for you anymore. They can help guide you to become more functional.
My best wishes to anyone who's had to deal with brain injuries!
Very interesting. It doesn't prove we don't have free will though. All it really proves is that when you sever communication between the left and right brain, the two sides have trouble coordinating with each other and try to make up for it in unexpected ways.
yeah, after seeing the cgp grey video i saw this and began noticing how i'd instantly think of what to make up if i thought about what i'd say if someone asked what it i was doing. like if i was, idk, in a room or messing with an object or something. i think making up reasons for why we're doing something is a perfectly normal thing to do, because people just naturally want to (and need to, psychologically) fit in to their group.
I feel like saying it's multiple consciences is a misnomer. it's multiple processing units (for lack of a better term) that work together to form one conscience. and when separated it simply causes some confusion and communication problems between units but still ultimately forms one conscience.
Yes. Agreed.
there's a person in this comment section that experiences essentially two personalities in one brain, so you may be incorrect
@@madeline6951 that person has a different disorder or is exaggerating/lying because
1.other people who get the procedure don't experience that
2. if their brain was full split they literally would not be able to know they have 2 personalities as the sides can't communicate at all.
this proves their brain either isn't fully split or the personalities are confined to one hemisphere (again assuming the random youtube comment is true)
@@fauxclaws i would disagree with the initial notion, specifically the part where you say they are only able to form one consciousness
a full brain that has all of its parts connected will of course form what we identify as a single consciousness, but if you remove their ability to internally communicate? they obviously cannot form into a single consciousness anymore since the neuron data is not moving between them. like everything else, consciousness can be considered relative (10 divided by 2 becomes 5 rather than strictly 'half of 10' so to speak). if a neuron cluster is made unable to communicate with surrounding neuron clusters, it is then by definition (and function) multiple entities as forming a single entity is impossible, no longer able to communicate internally, and will need to opt to communicate externally instead. (though of course cut a brain up too many times and the neuron clusters likely wont have enough processing power to do anything at all, evolution did form the brain with all of its intended counterparts for a reason)
similarly i would argue that if one were to fuse a full brain with another full brain (for simplicity lets just say in a way that involves some kind of cable connected between individuals that would allow at least as many neural signals between the two as a corpus callosum does for a brain's halves), the result might start with the two individuals communicating between each other internally, but would likely end (over a long time or perhaps even immediately) with them fusing into one intelligence composed of their combined personality counterparts, making an 'individual' that would appear to have seamless control of their two bodied form
in such a theoretical, the personalities of the two individuals would become more like differing thoughts and 'voices' that occur in their two body mind, very much not unlike what can happen in singular brains
neurons are designed to work together, the purpose of a brain being for them to form a larger organism out of their combined processing, but for this to work in such a way, all of the neurons need to be connected
I did a Buddhist meditation retreat and they said something that really stuck with me, "How liberating it is to know that my thoughts and feelings are not who I am. Who am I then? The one that realizes that."
That’s pretty good. But it’s also a bit of a misunderstanding of “no self” to create a self as “the one that realizes” but we’re Buddhists so we’re letting it go 😂
But the one who realized that is your own thoughts
You are the quantum state of your particular combination of carbon and water atoms. That only occurs once and that’s it.
@@manofcultura Deepak? Is that you? 😋
Is the wind flapping the flag or the flag flapping the wind?
Neither, your minds are flapping!
Was the random camera change to a side view really accidental, or did Joe’s bad gnome do it?
Yes.
Can i comment under member comments?
@@ugaboga9829 Yes.
😊😅😂
It was an unofficial tangent, hence the tangent cam switch
"I must believe in free will, I have no choice"
99% of the population has too believe in free will for either vitality or religious beliefs. They have no choice because of psychological need. They will gladly sacrifice clarity for hope.
Amazing quote dude
😃😃😃
you really don't though
@@jayknight139 have no choice?
Every human is unique. We cannot presume or assume what they're experiencing until they describe it and even then, we still don't really know. Therefore, I don't fault people for thoughtlessness and I try to never generalize while being aware that I am inclined to generalize, basically for my survival.
The first time I heard about this operation was in a psych class. The individual was having constant seizures, so they cut the corpus callosum. He stopped having the seizures, but he also lost his ability to form memories. He, in effect, had moment-to-moment existence. He had to write notes to live his day-to-day life. If he turned away from someone he was speaking to, and then turned back to them, it was like he was seeing them for the first time.
Also, another excellent read is anything by Oliver Sacks. He is a neurologist who researches the mind-brain connection, and one of his best books is "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat."
I loved Dr. Sacks books!
i wonder how the were convinced to undergo such risky surgery
@@Corleone007 "constant seizures"
so like the movie memento
Judge:25 years
Me:It might be crazy what I'm bout to say
exactly what i thought hahaha
Determinists don't think you should be able to use the nonexistence of free will as a get out of jail free card.
We see it as more important to start asking the questions: why did you do what you did? What about your environment led to you doing this thing? What can be done to help you not do it again, and help prevent others like you from doing it.
The punitive system we have now clearly doesn't work well. Jails are packed and recidivism is incredible. Most criminals go to jail and become worse criminals. We need to invest more effort into reforming criminals and improving the conditions that led them to crime in the first place.
The free will view lets you label some people as just bad, irreparably bad and punishment is the only option, and the fear of punishment is the only prevention for others. This isn't working.
Judge: Sorry, I don't have free will. I'm not the one choosing to sentence you to 25 years, the sentencing was pre-determined at the subatomic level. Can't do anything about it.
@@erseshe This is exactly why determinism eliminates free will only in the presence of a judgemental omnipotent omniscient deity.
This is interesting. One thing you didn’t touch on is how memory and learning can effect our thinking. For instance, I was born left handed. But for two years, kindergarten and first grade, I had a teacher’s aid who would smack my hand with a ruler when I used my left instead of my right hand.
My mom told me that if I got in trouble at school, I’d get it twice as bad at home. So I didn’t tell her I was a bad girl in school.
The teacher involved the entire class, telling everyone to raise the hand they wrote with. She pointed out that I was the only person using my left hand.
When I got to second grade, I realized one day that the teacher’s aid was no longer in our class. So I decided to try writing with my left hand, just to see if I could still do it. I was excited that I could. It was like my own secret. That afternoon, I tripped over the dog’s chain and fell, fracturing my left elbow. I had to wear a cast up to my armpit. I thought God punished me for trying to write with my left hand. I decided to never write left handed again.
I’m 61 years old now, decided a decade ago to take back my left hand. I can write forward and backward simultaneously with both hands.
But even today, when I hear or read about someone being left handed, I get this negative feeling toward the left handed person. I have to make a conscious effort to tell myself that person isn’t bad. I have developed a bias toward lefties that I still struggle with, even though I’m a lefty.
I’m thankful that I wasn’t raised to hate certain people. Because I know if I was, I would still have a bias toward them.
I am NOT saying that everyone who was ever biased will always be biased. I’m weird, and I’m the first to admit it. So maybe it’s a me-thing.
But I do believe that things we are taught at a young age can stick with us throughout life - good and bad. This is why we don’t forget how to read or walk or talk unless we experience a brain injury.
But what I am saying is that perhaps those “why do I suddenly feel this way?” moments can originate from a memory, experience or learned event that we don’t quite recall.
It’s a survival instinct to prevent us from reliving a bad experience, I believe. For example, if we see a dog and get a sudden fear, for instance, maybe we experienced a moment of a dog growling or biting us when we were young.
And this takes me to another point: I’ve had bad experiences with doctors and lawyers. So I get a negative feeling when I hear about either. I know that not all doctors and lawyers are bad; but I have to consciously remind myself of that fact, and remind myself of the good things that doctors and lawyers do when they produce the same feeling I get about lefties.
Some people may feel this way toward cops or people in uniform. Some may feel this way toward people with certain skin or hair colors, animals, or even objects, such as vehicles (I suddenly got a bad feeling toward cars after I was in a car accident…but it didn’t last).
When this happens with nationalities or skin tones, it doesn’t make us r@cist unless we let it. Unless we cultivate that negative feeling and allow ourselves to believe they will all reproduce the same experience, without even meeting them…and then to teach our children (or anyone who will listen) that everyone in that category or description is the same.
So sometimes we have to unlearn things and replace them with positive thoughts before we can heal and evolve. And sometimes, like my lefty bias, it may take a lifetime to overcome. But it begins with making a conscious realization that “That was what I was taught, but it’s not true”, or “That was a few incidents, but they didn’t occur because they were all … tattood” (for instance).
Sometimes we need to retrain our brain and replace negative thoughts with positive truths before we can grow. ❤
I know is corny but to learn to unlearn is the hardest thing to learn and sometimes it takes your whole life to realize that which is why depression is so common and knowing this sometimes I fail at it its honestly mind over matter it's said and it's most of the time the case.
My oldest sister is a lefty & her grade school teachers tried to stop her too. My parents raised hell at school & they stopped harassing my sister. Decades later, I have a Neice from a younger brother, whose oldest daughter is also left handed. Thankfully, times had changed enough that she was never bullied by teachers/aides.
A teacher's aid tried to get our 7 year old daughter with CP to switch to using her right hand. We got her fired tout suite.
Well that's basic social psychology... but i don't really see what you're getting at which is related to this video
Yes, me too. I was reprimanded in front of everyone for being left-handed at school and ruler slapped by Catholic nuns during catechism.. But I think they were superstitious to burning the left-handed as witches during the middle ages. If a person was left-handed, they were viewed as a witch and burned at the stake. It is quite ridiculous. Actually, all the left-handed people I know are extremely intelligent and very creative with high logic skills. Most presidents were left handed also.
I don’t share videoes usually, but this honestly is so high quality, well researched and explained, I had to share it with a particular person I know. Really great video, thank you.
My daughter at 2 years old had a full CC. I say full because there are instances where they do partials. When the surgeon met us he said, "You don't even get to talk to me unless you are hurting." We were. It was no hesitant choice to do the surgery. Her life was fading from LGS a rare epileptic disorder. Since after leaving the operating room she has been seizure free. That was six years ago. Still other challenges to overcome, but this surgery literally saved my daughter's life.
That’s good to hear. I’m glad she’s okay and so are you ❤
If you Hypnotize someone and tell them to put their shoe on the fireplace mantle anytime you touch your tie. Then wake them up.
Casually talking you touch your tie. He removes his shoe and places it on the mantle.
"Why did you do that?"
"My shoe was damp and i thought I'd let it dry out"
Let go of your tie and he puts his shoe back on
"Why?"
"I figured it must be dry "
Touch your tie again and he says "it wasn't dry yet"
The fact was that the Goal of the Mind is to always compute solutions and to always be Right. So when something illogical happens it is immediatly justified in any way to make the illogical seem logical.
There is a lot more to this Research as it is further described in the book Dianetics:The Modern Science of Mental Health"
Dianetics also happented to come up with a non-physical (no brain surgery just talking) process which handled each of these apparently illogical trains of thought resulting in more logical thought process , improved memories and a lot of other things (such as former allergies erasing and never coming back).
Whether you believe any of this or not, it is worth reading as it helps make sense out of things people are attempting to solve mechanically (surgery) or chemically (psych drugs).
The solution may be a lot simpler than one thinks. And i for one would rather give the non-permanent simple solution a try before doing anything that cannot be restored (such as surgery of any kind).
For a completely new viewpoint give it a read -- Dianetics
PS: I'm not pushing the subject in any way I'm just of the viewpoint I'd rather have more data and theories from which to choose rather than intentionally not looking at a certain subject out of whatever strange biases.
@@LG-qz8om Dianetics is hogwash and a precursor to scientology. It was literally written as a start of a religion due to L. Ron Hubbard not having financial success and frustrated decided that "I'd get more money if I created a religion".
yes my younger brother had one done too he has LGS also.
Wow. One of my first clients was a young man with LGS; parents opted to not have the surgery performed. In his case, he had seizures like you wouldn't believe - somewhat controlled with medications but if a human being can have a type of seizure, he had it. Learned a literal crapton about epilepsy from him, but it's a condition I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. 😢
I don't think anyone else mentioned "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Dr. Betty Edwards. I fell down the split brain rabbit hole after first reading it as an illustrator/animator in the mid-90s.
What blew my mind was how the hemispheres have "favoured tasks", and you can train yourself to go into right-brain mode (which is optimal for drawing). For instance, the left hemisphere dislikes things that are upside down, but the right side is indifferent. So as an assignment we would project a photo upside down and then try to copy it. The dominant left side would try at first but would keep trying to "flip" the image. Eventually it gives up and the task is passed to the right side, and then you start to ignore what the image is (preconceptions can hinder drawing what we see) and focus on the shapes, scale, and negative spaces.
There's loads of indicators that we are right brain mode; you lose a sense of time, you tune out audible distractions... I would sit down to draw and after what felt like 30min I realize it's been 2 hours and that CD (1990s, remember?) stopped playing ages ago.
It's a great book and covers some interesting explanations about our relationship to drawing and how we see the world.
Thanks for covering this topic and for all your amazing work!
Could you suggest any other techniques or literature to trick my brain to study consistently?
Wait, so does this that for normal daily life, we're on "left hemisphere mode" and our brains switch to "right hemisphere mode" when we encounter a task that the right hemisphere is good at?
So glad you wrote this! I found the PDF, can’t wait to go through an exercise with my 7 y/o daughter tomorrow!
I love that book! It really is brilliant, for anyone who wants to draw or do any kind of art it is a must read. ❤
thanks for sharing this, definitely checking it out!
I was not mindlessly scrolling through my youtube feed. I opened youtube, saw 10 videos I wanted to watched, opennd them all in different tabs, and now I'm watching them one by one.
I do this way too often. Or I'll put videos into a watch later queue and sometimes I'll just watch videos from that queue.
@@TheGeorgeD13That's really sad. If I believed in god I'd pray for you two
@@seedingsoul ??????????? what the hell are you talking about
It's gotta be a bot
@@TheGeorgeD13 Same. I literally filled up my watch later playlist (limit is 5k videos if anyone's wondering) and have a second one that I try to keep down but am over 1500 now I think.
The something that made me click was having this conversation in high school psychology, and I distinctly remember trying to prove that we have free will, so I will now be salty at the end of this video as I know you're about to shred my entire argument.
I clicked on the thumbnail because I've been conditioned to believe that I will enjoy anything this channel produces
its pavlovian...
same
You clicked because the simulation told you to
Yes! Exactly what I was going to say.
Can confirm
I'm an artist, and when conditions are just right I can get into what's called a "flow state," where half your mind is making the piece of art but the other half is occupied with something completely different, like listening to a podcast or having a conversation. Both of these activities are given equal attention but I don't feel like I'm paying conscious attention to the art I'm making, it's just being made in front of me. I think it's a way of letting the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere do separate activities at the same time, something that artists can learn to do with practice. Like two friends hanging out in the same room, one of them playing video games and the other one reading a book, but they're still hanging out together. Sometimes it's funny how the brain works when you get so deep into flow state: I'll be interrupted in the middle of listening to a podcast because I "involuntarily" got up and went to grab art supplies, and I won't remember what I'm looking for, but my right brain did for a moment.
that could also be why a lot of students that draw in their free time say that they "draw better" when they're in class. and i can say that about note taking too. I'm the type to take down notes in class non-stop but most of the time i don't think about what I'm writing. i just transfer everything i hear onto the paper and just make it more fluid by adding shapes/colors/connections to it. it only makes sense when i come back to it later and connect everything on paper to my brain :) I'm just in awe by how many examples of this there are!
I'm no artist. Maybe I get the state sometimes while I am dancing in a "dance trance". Strangest experience of all: having a "dance trance" together with my dance partner. Can be a longtime friend, can be a stranger.
So like maladaptive day dreaming?
I often feel this when I’m driving
That's not a flow state, flow state is where you're 100% concentrated on one thing until the rest disappears
That doesn't prove that free will doesn't exist, it just proves that you can make decisions based on data you do not consciously remember learning, and only then when your brain is split in half. I don't find that any more remarkable than the fact that I don't have to remember to tell my heart to beat. I mean, it's still cool, but it's not new.
Exactly thankyou
Your heart beat is a function of your brain. It's an example of lower function but shows you have no will because it keeps beating even if you tried to stop it. The higher function then is just an extension of the lower functions and shows the brain does what it does and our actions and thoughts are just results of past stimuli and impulses. Therefore, we have no will.
@@bubblelyte401Incorrect, our heart maybe regulated by our CNS sending signals to the S.A. node but, we can stop out heart by choosing to end ones own life. It isn't something we can easily do. It takes a level of self-awareness and assurance. To takes ones own life. That is a higher order function that can completely over hall lower functions like heart electrical regulation.
@@adaptivelearner6162 That is not necessarily an example. When someone is in optimal condition it is impossible to to just commit suicide. When someone decides to take their own life they are either not in their right mind and are in such a hopeless state inflicted upon them. In either case the do not have the free will to decide but succumb to the will that has been predetermined by the conditions.
That may not exactly prove it, but if you're interested in a intensely academic look at why we don't have free will check out "Determined," by Robert Sapolsky.
Wow dude! 2.26M subs. I remember you from 10 years ago. I think just starting out. Congratulations. I am very impressed. You are a natural storyteller.
Sadly it's just clickbait garbage
At about 70 years of age (79 today) I learned I had a mental disorder know as IED, Intermittent explosive disorder, which as a child was simply a short fuse or quick tempered. Knowing about it only made my life more complicated. Your video gives me much food for thought and maybe a way of gaining some meager control. Thank you.
No way they called the "explosive" disorder fucking "IED"
In 1965, when I was five years old, I developed a fever of unknown origin, which landed me in the hospital. My temperature stubbornly stayed at 103 to 104 degrees as I remained in the hospital for the next 3 ½ months. The effects of this "slow cooker" malady most assuredly affected my brain's communication processes. "FREESCAPING" is a term I borrowed from gaming that use to describe my thought processes, mostly when I am "On a roll" joking around, people are ROTFLing, and someone inevitably asks, "Where do you come up with this stuff lol?". The term derives from games in which your character can be played without encountering any walls or borders on a limitless horizon. Quite literally; statements will roll off my tongue as I hear them for the first time along with everyone else. The "flip side" to my having acquired some sort of undiagnosed brain damage (it was the 60's so I was never tested) is that, except for the brief flashes of comedic brilliance, I am otherwise stumbling around in the darkness of my profound societal blindspots.
'Undiagnosed brain damage'?
I'm sorry what doctor(s) have been telling you not to have ANY tests done since you were 5 years old??
Why not ? I have never met a doctor who would advise you skip the scans or tests... Even if it was years ago...
(With exceptions for concussions and minor physical trauma)
@@joeeeyyyyyy Brain damage done that early on is nearly impossible to diagnose. Source: myself. When I was born, the doctors illegally let the students at the hospital deal with delivery, and the stupid gits were completely unprepared. Specifically, the oxygen tank that is used to force a breath into an infant's lungs was empty. I was without oxygen for two plus minutes before the anesthesiologist returned to the room and filled the tank while the students panicked.
I have since been diagnose with ADHD, ASD/Asperger's, ODD, and a number of cognitive disorders. I am almost certain that at least half of my diagnoses are, in fact, a direct result of brain damage, but that can never be proven.
There is a proper studies on this called Disassociation. It feels like being in third person and can range from just feeling like foreign body to noclip. I had only experience it twice(?) but the recovery from this is akin to ptsd or trauma but not as worse. I think it took me 2 weeks-ish to get back to my normal self.
Wow, that sounds a lot like me, although I don't remember exactly when it started. I joked so much that I got fired from work. But everyone laughed so hard, so I don't regret anything! :D
@@bable6314 Thank you for your affirmations and kinship.
It's still an "egg or chicken first ?" issue. Thoughts modify our ability to think. Our ability to think modifies our thoughts.
@@marcosdominguez1234 This doesn't contradicts my first statement. The evidence you can find about what I wrote has been brought to light by the studies related to trauma. Ptsd and complex trauma truly modify our ability to think (brain wiring basically), so does "randomness of life". But we have predispositions due to our genes and the environment we live in. We call that a "terrain". It's basically a field where there are plants and trees (wiring). The path we somehow pick in a way (both consciously and unconsciously, nothing is binary) is influenced by the "flora" the field has in the first place and will either be watering some more plants or grains OR planting new grains. Our thoughts come from our brain wiring. But our thoughts are wiring our brain also.
This is why there's no total determinism because if there was, we could basically stop the people who WILL commit crimes and such.
There's also a study (a german one but can't find it, I got my hands on it when I was still a psychology student and the graduation is a bit long gone now) that showed that 70% of our choices on average are not coming from our decisions only but rather were determined by our personality traits (I'm simplyfing because I'm not an english native unfortunately, hope you'll forgive me). But what are those personality traits ? Where do they come from ? Well "it's complicated". Morale code is something you chose for example. You can be predictable in your actions, but are your actions truly led only by your animal instinct ? Then why do we have a self destruct/self harm button then ?
And in the end, regarding what you wrote. If free will is an illusion, and so does the reality we live in, is it truly an illusion if it's perceived as real ? That's a philosophical standpoint but we still need it because we can't explain everything organically to this day.
It appears that my long answer has been deleted by yt algorithm. I can't see it anymore.
Anyway.
I will not bother writting it again I'm sorry. But nothing is 100% freewill (quite the opposite) and nothing is 100% derminism. And your message doesn't contradict mine basically.
The egg came first according to evolution. What ever laid the egg was nota chicken.
Ah man, I might've smoked a little, you kinda haulted every thought I'll (probably) thankfully never remember again.
Thanks! I guess... Then again I don't know what I forgot. Why am I typing this out again?
@@malomkarom You're just practicing thankfulness. Can't hurt anyone.
On a side note, I really wish you will be able to quit smoking if it is possible to make you feel this way by smoking haha
Doesn't negate free will at all, merely shows that impulsive behavior may originate prior to conscious intent. Impulsive behavior is not free will behavior. Free will is reason based. Reason says cut down on sugar and carbs to improve health and weight, impulse says "but I want that donut, it look sooooo gooood." The best examples of free will are when, after deliberation, you decide to do not what you want to do, but what you decide it is best to do. If humans have that capacity, and I think it is obvious they do, they have free will, even though people maybe quibble on terminology.
Atheitards be Atheitarding
I'm editing my comment to correct my spelling. It seems there are many many people who have little else to concern themselves with other than my ability to spell properly.
Having a lack of proprioception is a nightmare. Due to a severe connective tissue disease, my body is never fully aware of the space it encompasses. Because my joints and bones shift constantly, I smack my face, hands, elbows etc... on everything. I miss stairs, I overlook corners etc. I'm constantly bruised, made fun of for being so clumsy and distracted. It's exhausting while living in exhausting debilitating pain and as a mother to two children suffering to live with the exact same circumstances. I appreciate your videos. People have no idea how their lives compare to the life of others. Be kind people. I'm not clumsy or distracted. I work harder than you will ever know and just to be . Things that are effortless to you may be an uphill battle for someone who looks normal to others.
Ehlers-Danlos syndrome? I have proprioception issues because of this.
Sometimes the harder you try, the more you fail.
That sounds so hard to deal with ><. I have phantom body part sensations, my proprioception told me I had different genitals than what I was born with and a very different general chest volume than what I actually had after puberty. It gave me so much stress before I came out as transgender and medically transitioned, and it's the kind of thing that you get used to and don't even notice how much it's bringing you down. I remember wearing an external prosthesis for the first time and thinking "wait, my body actually makes a lot more sense now, I don't need to make effort just to override the sense my body produces on its own". I can't imagine how it is having a dysfunction in the entire proprioception system ><
@@tubebrocoliThat is not how proprioception works at all.
Hello fellow EDS sufferer! People have no idea how hard it is to be us. Just because we can fake being mostly OK for the 30 mins or hour you saw us for that week does not mean we are fine... people suck.
My issue with the view, "we have no free will", is the definition they use to define free will. On the extreme end, the definition is that free will is having choice separate from information. Nothing can do that. We do have systems that function without cognitive processing. We have other systems that can be controlled with thought. Breathing is a classic area we do both. We can and often do breathe without thinking. We can however make a choice to breathe or even hold our breath. As I see it, automatic systems provide us rinse-and-repeat information. Wasting energy on rinse and repeat processing would limit our ability to process new information that would be more important to the system. These conscious processes are where free will functions. The examples given, just show how we process information related to making a choice. Limited information leads to bad choices, but they are still choices.
you having such thought is an example of the first definition of free will being impossible, so in my opinion, free will doesnt exist, we are shadows of 4D beings.
well said
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Free will as a philosophical concept predates modern science, neurology, information theory, and widespread belief in the mind being a wholly material rather than spiritual thing. All attempts to reconcile it with those things remind me too much of the "God of the gaps." Having choice separate from information is the correct definition for it, which is of course impossible in material reality. We can either embrace the fact humans aren't really free to make choices with all the radical implications that has for ethics, or reject strict materialism. All in-betweens are trying to have your cake and eat it.
@@felonyx5123 I think that this is an incredibly narrow point of view personally. It strictly relies on the notion that our material reality is the only impact on our material reality.
Think of it this way. If you were a 2D being, and someone moved a 3D object into your view, would you know that a 3D moved into your view, or would you think that it was an as yet, undetermined process of 2D physics?
We can only know what we can observe. But it is entirely possible that we cannot observe a great deal of things.
I'm not opposed to the idea that we don't have free will. However, I've yet to see an argument presented that provides enough evidence that cannot be disputed.
If it's all just a completely random emergence of material properties, then there is quite literally in my view, no real difference in knowing that information than not knowing that information. It makes near as no difference to your day to day.
However, from a philosophical perspective, neither option actually makes sense based on the information we currently have available to us.
Maybe this question is best answered in the future, with more information available for us.
@Godsbane - 2024-08-26
I once had a migraine whilst walking through a shopping mall. I didn't experience any pain, but one of the strangest experiences of my life occurred. The mall on my left side was completely unoccupied - or so I thought - until suddenly someone appeared in the center of my vision and crossed over to my right hand side. Then it happened again. People were appearing out of nothing, out of this empty mall, and those who crossed from my right side to my left vanished. My brain was mapping out my surroundings. It filled in the missing mall that I maybe couldn't see because of my migraine's aura. But it couldn't map out the moving people until I saw them on my right hand side. It was one of the most surreal moments of my life and I was worried that maybe I was having a stroke. I pretty much immediately saw a doctor and she said that it was much more likely to be a migraine. I get migraines, but I had never had that happen to me before, and it has never happened again (it happened about 20 years ago). After the shock and worry wore off, I just thought, the brain is an amazing thing. And practically everything could be an illusion or hallucination of a brain telling you that everything is completely normal.
@pippa3150 - 2024-08-26
I have had 2 ocular migraines that put crazy shapes in my vision and made things look smoky/cloudy but nothing like you had! Scary! Glad you're OK!
@zk4761 - 2024-08-26
@@pippa3150 Yeah I have had migraines where it appears like I'm in my perception of heaven with light coming from above and everything was blurry and bright. I was in a mall, I found a bench in a store that wasn't visible to traffic and slept for 3 hours. No way I could drive in that condition.
@TedSeeber - 2024-08-26
Try being on I5 driving when suddenly three lanes turn into 12- complete with duplicate copies of all the semi trucks.
@zyzyx4157 - 2024-08-26
If you thought that was cool (in hindsight) you might enjoy psychedelics. It’s nice to access the alternate reality without thinking youre having a stroke!
@DarkElfDiva - 2024-08-26
You didn't have to specify it was 20 years ago. I could tell that by the fact you said you were in a mall with people in it.