Chemiolis - 2023-09-22
This video is just for fun to see if I can recreate his experiments. *I did generalize the (optimal) meaning of peer review, often it is not necessarily reproduced (replicated). Unless the paper is purely calculations etc like we more often see in physics. A lot of papers are not reproducible even if they are peer reviewed, which is why replication is the ultimate test of truth for an experimental procedure. Even with non-identical conditions, since many steps can be done slightly differently even though in essence the chemistry is the same. We sometimes see this with checkers from OrgSyn who will slightly modify the procedure if they found something better. Videos followed Chromyl chloride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saANxD0cqy0 Benzaldehyde: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIVkBs7oWDI
in chemistry we don't copy video ideas, we REPRODUCE them
In all fields of science is done. And is a CRUCIAL step to theory develelopment, as a validation process.
@@Chico_Julio true, it just looks funny from the content creation perspective :p
@@Wielorybkekonly kinda. While in creation you typically want to do what’s popular, and will get you more sales. In chemistry it’s more about what get you results
And then we use clickbait titles
peer review
Honestly, the point where Nile tried to make cherry flavoring and accidentally created a war crime was one of the chemistry moments of all time.
He is Canadian so it’s kinda expected
He what?
@@itsTyrion He uh... he miscalculated some things on his recent video where he tried to turn paint thinner into cherry soda flavoring and accidentally created a gas that is banned by the Geneva Convention because it was used as a dispersion weapon during WWI.
@@itsTyrion he made mustard gas or something
If you take in to account his heritage it’s even funnier
“As a creator, I understand why he left out the yield. As a chemist, fuck you.” 😂
12:35 😂
Science and Medicine, one of the few places left in Academia where they throw hands😂
@@129140163You are a gentleman and a scholar.
That made me laugh because everything else was so subtle or just a bit backhanded😭
came to the comments to check for this before i wrote it myself, not dessapointed to see it as the 5th comment listed.
Better Question: Can we trust NileGreen?
True
You can
Can we trust Nile Blue?
Phsss its mister now
I'll do you even better: who's NileGreen
off-handedly describing the chromyl chloride cleanup as "I then cleaned it all with water" when NileRed has an entire video documenting his own disastrous cleanup is just a little bit cruel
@@nontrashfire2 ...Stupid...guy! I SAID PLUUUUHHHH!
But nile is a creepy little pee drinker
@@nontrashfire2shush with your childish nonsense dear.
You don't get to pick what other people call you ......
my bad dude, it wont happen again man@@nontrashfire2
@@nontrashfire2 assume deez nuts
Nile Red is just great. He's huge because he is honest and humble and incredibly committed to improving the quality and variety of his content. You may complain that his videos are not that instructional but then again he's pretty much the only person in the world who can practice chemistry at that level just for fun. I think we should celebrate we live in a period of time in which that is possible.
Preach bro 🤙
De tantos idiomas decidiste hablar factos
Factos, jajaja el espanglish xd
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right because even if he gave us a step by step i’d probably end up killing myself LOL.. i am not a chemist
I don't trust him to bake cookies thats for sure
that was the duumbest waste of money. he's really gone downhill. money made him dumb
@@GigsTaggart I bet he earned the money back tenfold, so not really waste of money in that sense lol. But yea money makes creators less creative overall I think.
@@error-4518 sure but that's part of the problem. If he can get revenue and patron for doing dumb stuff why would he even bother doing chemistry.
Its like a new mr. beast, he know what the platform wants, not what chem enthusiast appreciate. I wont deny that he started the chemistry movement in youtube, him and fire&explosions, but I no longer what his stupid videos, I mean, where is the use in cola made from gloves? I really miss when he worked in his parents garage, those videos helped me a lot in college lab (specially the caffeine extraction). Its an equipment for each video and it isnt used anymore. I see him releasing a video in after months, I wonder how the patreons feel about that.
Ann Reardon had a look at that, big issues were (1) the chocolate Nile used was 100% cocoa (most commercial dark chocolate is 80% cocoa, 20% sugar); and (2) the flour he used was "hard red spring wheat" - which is quite bitter - but also the flour was packaged in 2013. Using stale bitter flour and no sugar in the chocolate - there was nothing wrong with the recipe itself - the choice of ingredients is what killed it.
With hindsight, things look messier than they ought to. It is a lot easier to break down a process and make improvements when you have a well edited, 30 minute video to follow to recreate and improve a synthesis. Creators like Nigel are a brilliant resource for providing followable, reproducible processes that are extremely atypical. You can find a million videos of people making "typical" synthesis, but as far as I know, nearly nothing that Nigel has done on his channel is provided elsewhere at any where near the same level of clarity.
His videos on Aerogel and ferrofluid are quite literally one-of-a-kind public resources.
It kind of makes you wonder why professional academic chemists don't typically produce video content to go with their synthesis and analysis papers.
if nile has a problem, it's laziness. Not doing things properly because he doesn't feel like it. which is totally fine, but it does harm the educational purity of what he's doing. Sometimes I feel like he's lost his spark to create the content, as taking like 8 months to do a single set of reactions is wild. There are chemtubers that make weekly or at least monthly content doing the exact same thing that nile does.
Thought Emporium has the same kind of problem, but i think he's a content creator second and a scientist first. at least as far as i'm aware.
Nile happens to be the most entertaining, I feel though, E&F is as well, but he's even lazier than nile is, and he could really really do with some upgraded videography.
Not doing things properly when the guy using safety equipment and procedure rivaling many uni lab and far outstrip many youtube home chemist is a wild claim.
As for taking months for project, i do agree it's slow, not sure about it's "lazy" since we don't know how many multiple project he have, what equipment/resource he need and wait, etc... @@ExarchGaming
@@ExarchGaming fwiw, not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with you, but he's mentioned in his videos that his content creation pipeline has lots of things happening in parallel, and he often tries to make a video on something, fails, and scraps it. That's pretty common for any content creator who does stuff that requires lots of effort and/or time to make. With that said, most creators who do this have a period where they release stuff infrequently as their pipeline expands, but eventually they kind of "catch up" and are able to put out content regularly, it'll just be content that has been in the works for several months at a minimum. He's been like this for a while, so I can only guess that there are more reasons to it than simply just not having hit a good stride yet. Could be lack of ideas that are working out, lack of motivation or some other kind of burnout, over-focus on his side channels and tiktok/youtube shorts, or any number of other reasons. Only he and the people he's close to really know
@@ExarchGaming You are making one really big assumption. That his video are educational in the first place. They really are not, they are generally entertainment. Like how most historical sewing videos are also no intruction, but showing a process thats interesting to some, but mostly with the goal of entertaining and showing what you can do.
Well I do not trust him with my life, but otherwise I think he is okay
I'd trust more people with my life than I would trust to not finish my fries.
@@EvanBoyar but can you trust a person with your life who DOES NOT finish his/her fries?
@@AquibMohammedAymanyes, because those leftover fries are becoming mine.
I wouldn't trust him with my wife, either.
"Turning AquibMohammedAyman into Grape Chewy Gummy Candy"
Nile red wouldn't want you to trust him, he'd want you to look at the source material, and others work too, same as he did.
I don’t think Nile trusts himself let’s be real here
@@zandaroos553 True, how many scientist got themselves mamed, irradiated, killed tho... seems to be a risk they all take... i think tho, nobody should try this stuff unless they have the right equipment and know how to use it all, and actually know how to do the math... it's chemistry, not alchemy...
@@zandaroos553 that's why he always drop and smash a lot of things, he's so frustrated by the reaction so he doesnt even trust himself
@@royk7712he’s a showman. He understands the mob
To be fair, he's not doing things to make effective processes, he's just kind of shitposting lmao (and he usually does mention his yields, including those of less than satisfactory runs)
His videos are largely for shits and giggles, and entertainment. If he was trying to make legitimate tutorial/educational videos, I trust he'd be more professional.
Especially when half his videos are of him dropping things on the floor
@@izzydo3494 He does love to drop things on* the floor lmao. Who doesn't, though?
@@RoastCDuck Do you mean to say there was no established synthesis fpr Benzaldehyde so he had to create one? In which case no there are multiple and he did not have to create one ... if you are talking about another vid why would this be relevant here?
"I wasn't even trying"
To be fair, he deserves to not be appreciated by the chemistry community.
To receive disdain from thorough chemists that don't have the attention he has.
Nilered is a wonderful magnet to transform normies into amateur chemists.
I love him for that reason.
"As a chemist, fuck you" came so far out of the left field.. Great one..
12:38 Those little things are what makes these videos so entertaining! 😂
That got me laughing. Same though. I need to know
Name a more iconic duo than Chemiolis and the short-path Vacuum destillatilation apparatus .
I'll wait.
explosions and fire and plastic cups
ChemicalForce and the stuff of our collective nightmares .
@@kaboom4679i was going to say ChemicalForce and way too many unnecessarily long slow motion shots.
Extractions and ire and tar
@@jerrysanchez5453 Explosions and Fire AND Extractions and Ire and Orange Chemistry
To be fair to NileRed, he kind of makes a thing about not being that scrupulous with his method; like a soft-core edgyness. And I guess that's part of the appeal? But he appears to freely admit to cock ups, and from someone with just chemistry a-level (me) he seems to explain the chemistry well too. I see no reason not to trust him, at the level that I need to trust him. This video was also interesting though. Can't complain at more chemistry content.
Yeah I definitely don't have a high enough understanding of Chem to reproduce any of his tests myself but from the stuff I do know his science is solid he screws around and uses tools he doesn't need to for the fun of things so I trust that he's creating what he says he is to the level I need to which is fun science man who's making things for the hell of it
"...requires advanced knowledge of chemistry acquired through many years of suffering" hit WAY too close to home for me. Ow.
"trust is mostly irrelevant to science"
Spoken like a man who has never blindly replicated a lab experiment from the 70's. Trust is like, 90% of not dying during experimental replication.
by how much shit he has to look up and how little he most likely knows about science, i'd say you hit the nail on the head there.
@@draggy76 do you think science is just experimenting wildly using your intuition? Just look at a scientific paper mate, we back up each and every sentence with a paper justifying the information in the sentence. You should not trust your memory in science, look shit up and confirm what process is best for each step of a reaction as well as possible reaction paths.
@@IAOIceland1984yet there are hundreds of unreproducible papers out there
@@draggy76 sorry, do you think scientists actually just hold all information relevant to their field in their heads at all times or something? they're people, not computers.
@@draggy76 Stupid reply to be honest.
That Chemist: “Can we trust Chemiolis?”
Chemiolis: “Can we trust NileRed?”
NileRed: “Can we trust Sir Humphry Davy?”
First Explosions&Fire and now NileRed. Who's the next target for Chemiolis to start chemistry beef with?
Chemdelic? 🤔
Prussian Blue. I bet Chemiolis will have a cardiac arrest once he catches a whiff of what this mad lad is cooking.
Heck with that, where's Greeniolis at??
Chemiolis takes down himself in a long, weird, recursive beef that loops until it eventually collapses in on itself and forms a black hole from which no views or likes or comments can escape. Make it happen!
I trust Chemiolis more than the other guys, this dude is good... really good.
00:13 "...even if we do trust him - trust is mostly irrelevant to science. Instead, we should use the most important pillar of science: reproduction." proceeds to open pornhub
I thought this was gonna be a compliment for a hard hitting code
What the f-
>Want to fix errors of others
>Handles dangerous chems with exposed arms
Safety violations increase engagement via the comment section, which is far more important.
@@abnorc8798 i'm so so so sure you're thinking too far into it
@@abnorc8798💀
It balances out with NileRed pouring the most dangerous shit without a funnel
The clickbait we all deserve
He's chemist with high-grade equipment and safety measurement. But we don't watch his channel for just science, but because he's entertaining us with actual science.
It's called Edutainment, not online class.
Exactly. Well said. We don't watch his channel for science, but to fall asleep 😂
I think that’s implied. This seems more like a challenge to see if the experiment is somewhat reproducible.
But why wouldn't you taste test something prepared with carbon tet and hexavalent chromium??😮
Also known as "Detroit mineral water" 😁
That's what always got me about the original video: Making soda using the most carcinogenic and toxic route humanly possible and then drinking it for views.
@@foxyfoxington2651 Confidence in the chemistry.
Exactly. Any imperfections just add unique flavor that you will almost certainly remember for the rest of your life.
@@justsomeguy5628lol, for however long that ends up being
Today, I had my first analytic chemistry lab. It was only orientation, and going over sylabus, but I still managed to have a look around the (really old, like waaaaay too old) lab, and I saw a 2L bottle full of chromyl chloride (full), and as I leaned in, to read the label (wanted to know the year, and it was 1987), the teacher just came over to me, and just told me to keep away from that cabinet, as it was actually filled with a lot of other solutions, including some dichromates, and other. Let's just say, I'll be extra careful, not to knock anything over, as I will be working pretty close to it.
The best part is, that the cabinet isn't even locked. And neither are the labs (why? I have no idea).
In my city there is a research institute which is the merge of several smaller labs. When they moved in their new, big and fancy lab, they lost some uranium rocks like ten years ago, nobody knows where those are to this day.
Same in my college too😂. They haven't locked the cabinets and have some starting products to make explosives like trinitrotoluene💀
The reason it's not locked is because it can defend itself.
Maybe for safety reason... If for any reason.. any of that chemical storage exploded.. fall or anything.. it will be easy to evacuate out of the lab.. instead locked in
I was installing a fume hood in a lab and the ancient cabinet next to me had to move over. I opened the door and find a 1kg. Bottle of potassium cyanide smiling at me. Gently closed door, Backed out of room.
Nile red has a very advanced home lab and I think sometimes he over does very simple steps in procedures which more than likely impacts his yields :)
I think this exact thing whenever he touches anything that resembles a tool.
he's lazy, that's all. that's why his yields get fubared. it's part of his charm, same with Explosions and Fire.
Have you seen his new lab? He offhandedly has a tube furnace and an NMR that he's used once. It's far from a home lab.
@@ExarchGaming I feel that Nile tries hard to be a real chemist. E&F is a super smart dude and does it for fun, which is where I find the entertainment value.
@@JaredBrewerAerospaceE&F is also technically a physicist, which makes his chemistry shitposting in a shed even funnier
Peer review and reproduction are two very different and very important processes in science. Peer review is when experts read and critique articles before they are published. Reproduction is when other labs try to reproduce the same results, like with lk99
just seeing two chemist (amateur or otherwise) doing the same procedures can be very enlightening when it comes to lab techniques
I just generally like watching NileRed, as well as the other chemists including Chemiolis as well, as I like to see how they put chemicals together to make something, including my favorite, fluorescent chemistry.
He makes very entertaining videos.
You might like ChemicalForce (lots of glowing, sparks, etc. & nice shots) and StyroPyro (more into lasers & engineering but is a chemist proper, and lots of glow!)
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens He makes the best. That video nearly a year or so ago that looked like a mini nuke was the bees knees.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 I like Styropyro's little squirrel pal. And his newest full video (not short) is pretty impressive. There's more than one mushroom cloud!
im a tar chemistry man myself
Its really cool that you chem YouTubers seem to be teaming up to test each other's methods and demonstrate peer-review to your audience in the form of entertainment. Keep it up!
You forgot the part where he actually makes his videos entertaining.
The quality of science on YouTube is increasing constantly and I’m loving it. Peer review, reproduction, formal scientific disputes, it’s amazing. A whole new venue for scientific research, funded by the curiosity of viewers rather than the potential for industrial profit.
Im loving it honestly, never did i think i would see someone peer review nile red and its been 2 times now! Both incredibly done and educational as well :)
Finally some drama in the youtube chemistry community (don't touch prussian blue you will end up finding a pipe bomb in your next delivery)
'no drama', clearly made to start drama
You are asking can we trust nilered but I'm now asking can we trust YOU?!?
To be fair, Nile always says that he isn't doing his experiments with yield in mind. Just wants to take the quickest route to getting the substance so yeah... Not really mad that his yields are shit. The man admits it himself
This would be really cool as a video series
"As a creator, I understand... As a chemist, fuck you."
literally just sums up a lot of his content tbh
The way NileRed destroys glassware, it's crass. Glassware costs money, and he's intentionally breaking it to get YouTube views, it's not a good look.
It makes him come across as an entertainer, who's playing at chemistry, rather than someone who enjoys chemistry and takes it seriously.
A big explanation for how and why Nile seems to have his videos always be chaotic is just...how he is. Go watch him try to make anything that isnt necessarily chemistry- the "making my own chocolate" and "making a bismuth knife" videos are great examples of how you can see he reacts to things normally...as in, he really has no idea what hes doing, and just makes guesses, which usually turn out sliiiightly wrong, but mostly right. Not to say he isnt smart, at all, I'm simply saying he has no patience and can be disorganized
I'm a Computer Scientist with bad High School chemistry, I have no idea what either you or Nile are talking about. I still watch fascinated at you guys doing what looks like magic to me.
Man, you should really be a bit more careful when distilling ether. The Setup at 11:03 screams for a fire. I've heard of many cases where ether fumes ignited on a hot plate, its really not fun. Make sure to use a roundbottom next time. D:
D-i-stilling! Not destilling!
@@MichaelLapore-lk9jz fixed!
chemiolis once again proving that he's an attack chemist
Two of the best Chemistry Youtubers, I want them to colab and make met-.
Methyl anthranilate!
Great idea, reproducibility is important
The way he just casually talks about using chromyl chloride and carbon tetrachloride otherwise known as the cancerous superduo 😂
I think that’s what’s crazy to me about chemistry is that there is so many different ways to try to get the same product but with varying results
Sure NileRed had a lot of screwups and this video does seem like he’s better and cleaner but let’s remember that this is a second attempt. As all things in experimentation goes, the 1st attempt usually gets most of the erroneous paths. Ergo, the 2nd has a much more straightforward way of getting it right, and in a cleaner way too.
I trust him enough that I don't need to watch this video.
This is genius! Make videos in a very similar way to nilered a channel who uploads like 3 times a year and then make a video with a clickbait title about him that would make nilered viewers curious so you get allot of his audience and because of the similar style allot will probably stay!
edit: This is not meant to sound negative.
He's one of the few people I would instantly trust just from personality. I know you shouldn't but he is not purposely misleading, I think he has a more enjoyable way of doing things rather that doing everything for perfection. I guess it's a good way to get views to critique a bigger Youtuber.
@fatman9644 - 2023-09-23
Now we need a third chemistry youtuber to see, whether we can trust Chemiolis
@skyethebi - 2023-09-24
That Chemist sort of did that
@craigstephenson7676 - 2023-09-25
@@skyethebinow we need NileRed to see whether we can trust That Chemist
@skyethebi - 2023-09-25
@@craigstephenson7676 I think NileRed should see whether we can trust Sir Humphry Davy. Check to make sure that strontium and potassium really exist.
@JaredBrewerAerospace - 2023-09-27
I vote that we have NurdRage moderate all of this!
@serenitybysaf - 2023-10-02
this aged well