NurdRage - 2017-04-15
In this video we make sodium magnesium oxide aggregate. A useful substitute for sodium metal in most cases. Doing this is very simple, we combine 30g of magnesium metal turnings or powder and 40g of sodium hydroxide in a metal container. The mixture is ignited with sparklers or a fuse and the container is covered with a heavy lid to protect it from air. The mixture will burn and generate hydrogen gas. What's produced is a mixture of sodium metal interspersed with magnesium oxide. While not pure sodium, it has much of the same reactivity and can be used for solvent drying in place of sodium. Because the aggregate is highly reactive, even toward air, it is recommended to store the aggregate under an inert solvent like toluene or mineral oil. Related videos: Nighthawkinlights video on making sodium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSg_GWj1b0 Make dioxane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zzrn-61XAY Purify triethylamine with sodium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQnUeHOa6ow Donate to NurdRage! Through Patreon (preferred): https://www.patreon.com/NurdRage Through Bitcoin: 1NurdRAge7PNR4ULrbrpcYvc9RC4LDp9pS Glassware generously provided by http://www.alchemylabsupply.com/ Use the discount code "nurdrage" for a 5% discount. Social media links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/NurdRage Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NurdRageYoutube/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nurdrageyoutube/ This video generously sponsored by my patrons: Michael Zappe Alex S. Cullen Purkis Simon Bitdiddle Phillip Hutchings Matthew Brunette Jon Stanovich Emil Mikulic Lord Martin Hill Samuel Pelzer Roger Robert Boll Andrea Nall Jacob Gruber Michael Stephen Stair Marius Klimantavičius Max Loutzenheiser Wesley Gardner Daniel Astbury The King of Homestyle LVE Bobby Nansel Brian Nietfeld Michael Gregg Bryan Boettcher Martel DuVigneaud Dror Kronstein Benjamin Nied Antton Tapani Mark Rose doug dysart Micha Gorelick Thor David Drueding Kay Bærulfsen Dom Vasta Matt Sieker Florent Parent Craig M. Syam Krishnan Syniurge Py Marcio Yukio Teruya Timothy Vincent Danny Chan Miguel-Angel Gutierrez Casey Kikendall Craig House Myndert Papenhuyzen Feliksas evan Mark Beeunas David Jeffrey Morse George Jefferies jMe4505 Braxton Thomason Leon Verrall Hy Diep Michal Z Ricardo CNK054so Timothy Glore Zane Bacon Akshay Joshi Ben Anderson Applied Science rd Åsmund Tveten Kremling Wolf Bennett Christian Cooper Triple Cee Pascal De Lisio Henry Wu Chase Curtis Jonathan Jason Brammer James McIlhargey Marius Damien P Mark Keibler Bas Hessels Uocjat Jessica Porter Connor Reed Collin B Douglas Rob Parker Goodwine LFTRnow Donald W Paul Grodt Dean Bailey Samuel Ytterbrink Magnus Ott Kartin John Wasser Daniel Åland David Gilmour Daniel L. Julian Nicolai Joshua Books Joshua Rogers Dean Leggo Sac LeGaie Aner Nitsan Grey Shot Xandorcode Jean-Marc Bélisle Mecha Chocobo Adrian Kleven Joshua Crager Rebecca Chung cj6xu6ru Meyer Bill Noren Essimage l.h. riley Evan Schuld Jason King Yuli Talyansky Chris M Guerra Leonard Marshall Bear Marc Ethier John Bonnin Greg Emmons Woobly Mark L OpenArms Tyler Faruque Daniel McLaughlin Ariesticnig Joshua L Digiacomo Al Longley Star Ape Christian Ullrich Output Coupler Meagan McLay Joe Szymanski nBoost Rauni Kangas Stephen Andrew Montagne Kamen Milchev Jeff LeBell Gawdwin Charles Harris Daniel Baizel Robert H. Guinn Paraffine Tristan Putzeys Johann Massyn Herbert999 Lunarchy Mark Oberfield Curt Fischer Hannah Walters Rescla Emil Lund SaltyBrains Scott Blanchette Andy Hims T. Vladimir Vosselman Kristian Ferencik Andrew crawley Michael Kavulich Ben Russell Dario Goddin Adam Sidelsky dastrike Randi Silva Ed McMullen H Lambert Jacob Rodriguez Benedikt Müller Evan "Endar" Miller Robert Kennymore Thomas Phipps Jordan Blackman Martins Latvis Louis Lan Jordan Project 54/74 rjk Jay Gillikin William Taoist Joshua Graham Ivik Injerd Bob Hayward Bennet Huch
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Bruce Vieira Lopes muahahaha
I'm taking my time to make sure the sodium extraction video comes out perfect, there are lots of variables i want to optimize first. So it likely won't be the next immediate video, but the video after. For certain i'll have sodium extraction released this month.
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You're practically right.
Synthesis daclatasvir
Http://apisynthesisint.blogspot.ru/2015/07/daclatasvir.html
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that reaction with amonium acetate is very intresting thx for sharing
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this shows how to get that first molecule from my post
http://imgur.com/2awWP7M
adding a protecting group could be necessary, but im not shure
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btw, why are you interested in Synthesis of daclatasvir
NurdRage can you explain me something?
So if hydrogen gas ignited then it forms water (steam). And that water should instantly react with the sodium. My question is why sodium in the container can be found in elemental form after the reaction is done?
Imi Rostás jesus ... Is high school basic knowledge...
Imi Rostás The reaction is extremely exothermic, thus the container becomes very hot and pressurizes, so any gases present are forced out of the container, much like propane is forced out of a gas cylinder when you open it. The H2 cannot form water until it touches O2 and there is no O2 present in the container. This method is not perfect and the elemental Na will still be exposed to small amounts of CO2, O2, H2O and other oxidants in the air, but the loss of product will be reasonably small as long as you cover the container after the reaction.
I love the maniacal laugh at 1:55
the turnings are called "swarf" in machinist lingo
NurdRage: I'd like to translate some of your videos to Spanish. Can you activate the option, so I can help?. Thanks a lot.
If I wanna do it, what precautions do I need ? :D
So big brick on can shielded with some bricks. Fire extinguisher nearby. Outside. In a lab coat. With specs on. And a camera.
nice video, i recently just began my Chemistry studium in switzerland
alway's great to see new stuff from your channel
Thanks for watching!
will this reaction work for potassium the enthalpy of formation is almost exactly the same for potassium hydroxide as sodium hydroxide
0:32 What did you do to that beaker? It's all sagged and wobbly, must have been some high temperature, haha.
He probably did the aggregate in the beaker before recording 😃
I love these "mad scientist" types on here. God bless you for educating and entertaining at the self same time.
NurdRage that was the best laugh ever muahahaha
2:24 Let the knowledge cool before handling it ? OuQ
Here i am, still waiting for the lead dioxide electrodes video...
I always enjoy your videos but this one had me in stitches. Love to see some fun mixed in with education.
Love your videos mate great job!
got couple of question..when you say Aggregate is that mean different to actual chemical compound? do you know if I make a powder out of these does Aggregate would it dissolve (or Solute) in Diethelyn carbonate or Propylene carbonate organic solvent?
Thank you for your help
1:56 why does that look like a stove and can i cook with it
You have a great evil scientist laugh there, NurdRage. :D
dude, love your channel. can you do something similar for lithium extraction? maybe with LiOH? we need a lithium source...
Is it possible to replace the magnesium metal for aluminum in this reaction and yet produce sodium metal?
AFAI can remember yes. You can look at redox potential charts.
Can this be done with lithium hydroxide? I had to do a reaction (repeatedly) in grad school that needed lithium metal, but the product would coat the surface (stalling the reaction). I tried to make a fine lithium dispersion by melting the metal into paraffin and... it didn't go well. Something like this could have been pretty useful.
Wouldn't this also work to produce potassium since the enthalpy of formation for KOH is nearly the same as for NaOH?
Just did this reaction and it worked great. Really good yield but I had a good amount of unreacted magnesium powder left in the can. I had fine powder of both ingredients and mixed them well.
Still, excellent way to get sodium to toss into water for demonstrations.
Thank you Nurdrage.
oh you're going to love the follow up video "make sodium without electrolysis" where i extend this concept and actually get pure sodium metal.
This one looks doable in the backyard :)
Looking forward to the next video.
Sodium is very useful interested to see the results.
A very neat video. Got me thinking, Youtube user myst32YT has a great video about making sodium peroxide. Could this aggregate be used to make very dirty mixture of MgO, sodium oxide and sodium peroxide? (Any formed magnesium peroxide would probably decompose at the temperature needed to form sodium peroxide...)
You always put out the most helpful videos right when i need them...
Can we use another source of ignition other than fuse or sparklers(say, for example match stick)?
Does magnesium oxide work as a substitute? If not, is a chemistry supplier my only option for pure magnesium?
Ok, I just tried this.... It worked but now I have highly reactive sodium in a magnesium oxide sponge :/ . I wouldn't recommend this unless you have a use for sodium.
is throwing it all in water to see a cool explosion a good use?
I want flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaames!!! :D
Come on we're nearly at 666k subs!
Who love this moment 2:57
I remember seeing Nighthawks video a few years back but it never occurred to me to use the magnesium oxide sodium mixture just as is for drying. Do you think it would be alright to use this aggregate for drying of the reagents for a grignard reaction like diethyl ether or THF and a ketone/aldehyde and an alkyl halide, i don't think there would be any way for the magnesium oxide to react with any of these but i thought it might be smart to ask before making the foolish mistake of assuming it will; and then screwing up a grignard reaction one day.
yes, you can use it to dry ether and THF. But you can't use it for ketone or alkyl halides, because the sodium will react. This is true for pure sodium as well.
would magnesium citrate work in place of magnesium filings?
If anyone can give some advice with an issue I'm having with this reaction, it would be very much appreciated. So, when I run through the process, everything goes well and actually runs decently smooth. But, when it's all "finished", I wait a few minutes and then proceed to take the brick off the top, only to find that a burning hot piece of either magnesium metal or the aggregate reacting with the moisture in the air sparks whatever magnesium remains to spontaneously ignite again. This then cuts my yield as the sodium metal already in the can is oxidized due to contact with the air. I'm not sure at all why this happens as I mix my turnings and hydroxide very intimately.
nice, but what if you tried Na2O made from Na2CO3 by thermal decomposition? to use less magnesium...
Why haven't you used iron insted of magnesium since Fe2O3 has a higher ΔH than MgO?
there are three oxygen atoms in ferric oxide
You should make a video on distillation of cesium!
YEAHHHHH ....
Can you use magnesium supplements? Oh and, where can i buy firestarters?
Maybe you could spoiler a little aspect of the soudium purification : How good is the yield ?
Can you make a Video how you get Magnesium Metal from Epson Salt ?
I wonder if this could be used as a desiccant. muhahahaha
Where can I dispose of the aggregate?
Is NurdRage the God of Hellfire? When I heard him laugh as the redox mix reacted and gushed out those orange sodium flares, the 1968 Arthur Brown song came into my head.
could you also do this with postassium hydroxide to form potassium metal?
Okay I've got magnesium powder and NaOH !!! Any tips before I do something stupid ? :DD
where can I find magnesium powder
So with a laugh like that when will you show us your secret lair inside a mountain?
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One MILLION DOLLARS! MUAHAHHAHAHAH
I gave this reaction a try tonight (but on a 1/3rd scale) and used a steel can and instead of a stone block as a lid I used a metal disk with a diameter a few mm smaller than the can that could be placed inside of the can directly on top of the reactants. The disk would be able to lift up slightly as the hydrogen blasted by and then lay flat again to keep oxygen off of things after the reaction was done. Instead of using sparklers as the ignighter I attached the steel can to a long pole using a metal coat hanger and as a heat source I held the can in the flames of a campfire we were having in the backyard. Heating everything in the fire got all the reactants heated up to reaction temp at the same time, so when the reaction kicked off the hydrogen flame that followed was really impressive! The reaction was over in a matter of seconds and everything was going great until it came time to get the hot metal can somewhere safe to cool down. I accidentally disturbed the metal disk for a few seconds allowing oxygen to get into the can and proceeded to see some bright orange glowing which to me was definitely not magnesium but sodium unfortunately. So I have a good feeling that I may have burned up all the sodium I worked so hard to make. Will update after some testing but am feeling pretty bummed for now :/
Aussie Chemist - 2017-04-15
That sounds the laugh from a crazy evil scientist, the same laugh I got when I made nitroglycerin ( by the way can it be used in birch reduction?)
Rob Newland - 2017-04-16
Aussie Chemist my main concern with using it for the Birch reduction is will you be able to know exactly the amount of sodium per gram? Or is it analogous to using something like potassium graphite?
Aussie Chemist - 2017-04-16
by controlling the amount of Mg and NaOH that start with the rough amount of Na can be estimated, like you said, it would not be exact. but since Na is used to release free electrons, as long as that being achieved i dont see there is a major problem there. as free electrons are key to the birch reduction, Like NR mentioned it can be a problem to remove the desirable product from the messy mixture. since i have all the precursors, it not like I have to especially buy the chemicals, so I guess i will give it a go anyway, I mean why not.
Rob Newland - 2017-04-16
Aussie Chemist I mean yeah I see no reason why it wouldn't work (the Birch reduction is a key step in the synthesis of one of my precursors I use in my PhD so I'm quite familiar with it) but you may end up with incomplete reduction due to the imprecise stoichiometry. Also for substrates that could be over-reduced that may be a problem if you unknowingly add too much sodium.
Aussie Chemist - 2017-04-16
wow it seems there are punch of people with high degrees hanging around in the comment section, since i have not yet finished my high school course i guess Im just gonna be a quite reader from now on
Adrian Henle - 2017-04-18
Nah man, ask every question you can! Reading is good, but formulating a useful question is awesome practice for understanding this stuff.