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DIY 3 phase axial motor 80% efficiency!

Ilusys Systems - 2017-07-19

Each coil is 12 turns of wire.
ESC: Hobbywing "20A"
http://www.hobbywing.com/products/enpdf/SkywalkerV2.pdf

Fusion model & drawing
https://myhub.autodesk360.com/ue289b055/g/shares/SH7f1edQT22b515c761ec19fa8ccdb92fc06
https://myhub.autodesk360.com/ue289b055/g/shares/SH7f1edQT22b515c761e777f84526f665c5e

Measuring efficiency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwShvqoZX_c

Matheus Silva - 2019-02-22

Hi there! I am tasked with making a motor and saw your design and thought it was quite simplistic and successful! Could you share with me some dimensions for this build (the one pictures at 2:17)? Also, do you have any info on how I might create my own 3-phase ac driver? Lastly, is this motor self starting (i.e. if you give it ac power will it begin turning on its own)?

Bingo Sun Noon - 2021-10-17

Use the N:N+1 ratio. All BLDC motors do.

Marwan AlShagra - 2017-11-24

Hi, thanks for the videos,, I have a question as a novice, is it possible to have one of the rotors spin in opposite direction using the same setup (single stator and 2 rotors)???, assuming you have mounted each rotor on separate shafts of course. thanks

Ilusys Systems - 2017-11-24

Hi, as the stator produce "rotating" magnetic field this is not possible, because field rotates in same direction.
It may be possible in 2phase synchronous mode, in theory, but that you need to consider, that magnetic field of two rotors will produce quite a lot of vibration in axis of rotation. Like this https://youtu.be/TWjiBuVQy84?t=3m27s

Eelco Hoogendoorn - 2020-03-14

The worst thing is how it will behave when the coils heat up...

YAKANBO - 2017-08-09

Здорово! Спасибо за видос! Лайк

Ilusys Systems - 2017-08-09

Thank you!

Magnet-2819 - 2017-07-31

@ ILusys Systems

It seems that your coils energises the full magnetic path of the rotor per phase.
Regular bldc's don't do that. How many ohms are your coil rings?

Thanks for sharing.

Ilusys Systems - 2017-07-31

hi, they do kinda - they use iron core to "short" magnetic circuit.
I cannot measure resistance precisely now, because all of my meters are damaged in ohms somehow :) but it is about 1 ohm

Chandan Indalkar - 2019-05-23

Can someone tell me what will happen if I increase the number of winding in 3 phase generator's stator...
How will it affect the output, will the output voltage, power increase?

Vineet Chauhan - 2020-07-14

The number of turns will increase the Voltage.

TechyTrendy Solutions - 2021-01-02

@Vineet Chauhan can you make dame video tutorial ang make money on youtube.

Sandile SD - 2019-01-14

can you please make generators instead of motor there already many good motors there, i think this can be a good generator, i just wonder how much power it can output

Ilusys Systems - 2019-01-14

It will have same power rating as a motor would...
-losses of motor and losses of power "conditioning"

Bingo Sun Noon - 2021-10-17

I worked for a company that made axial flux motors. I was told to say that the motor was 90% efficient. It was closer to fifty per cent. Is that the case here?

Ilusys Systems - 2021-10-18

Depends how you load the motor. Obviously if you stall any motor you get 0% efficiency, so all machines like this have range where efficiency is evaluated. I have graph in this vid where I got about 80%, it was peak though.

Brian Sullivan - 2018-08-27

Most Axial flux have 12 coils, yours uses three. What is this style of winding called?

Ilusys Systems - 2018-08-28

it's called serpentine coil

Xierxu - 2019-11-27

Can this work with an iron rotor?

Ilusys Systems - 2019-11-27

like iron without magnets? not really. In theory you could use aluminium plates instead of magnets and that would work like induction motor

Xierxu - 2019-11-27

@Ilusys Systems Aluminium is not a ferrous metal so how can it be used?

Ilusys Systems - 2019-11-28

@Xierxu it works by electromagnetic induction, conductive materials will create oposing magnetic fields by inducing electric currents. Basically same as induction motors - they don't use any magnets to operate.

Xierxu - 2019-11-28

@Ilusys Systems With an iron rotor the induced current would be stronger.

Ilusys Systems - 2019-11-28

@Xierxu Sure, you have to "close" magnetic circuit somehow. In induction motors this is critical, as flux created uses power. With pernament magnets flux can leak, which will decrease volumetric efficiency or motor cost to power ratio.


Obviously these axial motors are pretty low-tech thing, but their power is in super simple construction.

ai digital service - 2022-08-31

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dipesh nangle - 2022-06-09

how you give power to the motor

dipesh nangle - 2022-06-09

is it 3 phase, and if yes then what device you used to step down voltage

Ilusys Systems - 2022-06-09

@dipesh nangle you can use motor driver for RC planes. Or you have to make your own, which is what I ended up doing.

polymetric - 2018-02-05

A motor made entirely out of glue.

This is the stuff of nightmares.

Mambawan - 2019-02-26

polymetric its not a problem since it is used only for tests

Roy Ponpon - 2019-03-08

Not just glue, but hot melt glue. But hay, when ever have stator windings gotten hot? 🤔

Interesting video even if I was cringing all the way through it. 👍

Mintu Doku - 2018-12-22

How can you...... with single wire... its inpossible

Tore Lund - 2019-01-10

No it is not, it is a syncron motor like ac wall clocks.

Bingo Sun Noon - 2021-10-18

Unwind any motor and you will find a single piece of wire, except steppers.

Shopper Plug - 2021-06-18

using this on a lathe a really a childish idea

Ilusys Systems - 2021-06-18

*glassblowing lathe... But yes I used steppers instead because I was like nah, I am not messing with this stuff

Matti Virta - 2020-02-05

i need build RC drone 130KV motors 8 pcs, how ? all what thailand can buy have only 1000-2000KV motors, too little no can fly whit 20 KG water tank.

Ilusys Systems - 2020-02-05

I believe, you are at wrong channel here :D
You are reaching industrial servo motors region here...

How 'bout this https://youtu.be/O6sy5bt4D-Y?t=319

Matti Virta - 2021-07-07

@Platinum Sky i need made my wife farm acricultural watering and fertilice drone. but ready motors cost too lot no money buy.

Matti Virta - 2021-07-19

@Platinum Sky this i think have more kv more power i not know how made and what have strong can fly whit 20 liter/20 KG water plus drone. i has only looking how more have KV then strongest engine have and can lift more weight. RPM not mean anythink cavitation only lot high RPM and not can lift anythink. RPM need be perfect to own propeller not more newer. KV i think have important.

Matti Virta - 2021-07-19

@Platinum Sky size about 50+100 cm diameter, 6-8 ,motors, i no know weight, how much need battery, but need carry 10-25 liter water/fertilice normal fly.