The Thought Emporium - 2023-07-10
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The fact that human neurons are so advanced that they can force other neurons into playing doom for them is crazy
Makes you wonder, what we're doing for some 4th dimensional scientist using 3D spacetime instead of 2D glass discs for growth media.
Ya know, you bring up and interesting point. Imagine how these other neurons feel, they must think we’re quite audacious to do experiments like this
You gain conscousness just to reap and tear rhose demons
Crazy? I was crazy once.
@@KinuTheDragon They locked me in a rubber room. A rubber room with rat neurons. Rat neurons make me play doom.
3 questions of the internet:
Can it play doom?
can it show bad apple?
can it sound out megalovania?
Can it rick roll
Can
It
Squirt?
You forgot one
Is there p*rn of it?
Does it blend?
Bad apple is the least impressive, megalovania requires some effort, and doom requires the most computing power.
Imagine getting stomped in an FPS and it's just an array of a few hundred neurons that owned you.
Well, technically this was always a thing
I wonder if the Petri dishes will be capable of typing “I mitosed ur mom loser” in game chat…
Haha i can only imagine...
cries in TF2
Imagine loosening to something with millions if not billions less neurons than you
Who would win?
Experienced pro gamer with decades playing a variety of shooters vs. a neuron blob
"We're building a meat-robot"..."we're training it to play DOOM"....I see no way that this could end horribly.
something, something, Skynet. Something, something Armageddon
😂🤣😂 You guys! 😉
Hey, there won't be no problems.... unless a portal to hell opens up on Mars
@@Barrel4336 all because Douglas Quaid blabbed about Mars. Smh
Maybe it saves us from the Demons coming through the portal
Imagine gaining consciousness for the first time and your just Doomguy
*you’re
lmao this has just become a giant meme in the replies
@@realbrickbread yuo're
Yore*
*er’uoy
*yur
“Ah sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension!”
-Peter Griffin
Holy shit real living creatures that can only see DOOM and only live in DOOM forever.
For them, DOOM is truly Eternal
@@TheCaptNonameincredibly underrated
And if they escape, DOOM shall be on us.@@TheCaptNoname
Pretty sure we have no idea wether they’re conscious or not.
DOOM IS LIFE
It's nice to think that someone's thought process while looking at a brain was "but can it run Doom?"
Well, it's playing DOOM rather than running DOOM.
My brain can also play DOOM, but can't run it.
@@nathangamble125 quitter mindset
@@nathangamble125 you're technically running doom if you're thinking of doom.
@@nathangamble125🤓
@@nathangamble125 nerd
Imagine frantically running home, but instead of, "I left the oven on!", its, "I forgot to feed my computer!" 💀💀
Warhammer be like:
bruh💀💀💀
this is funny asf💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Mom: remember to feed the computer!
And then it becomes conscious
Wow a TF2 emblem haver
Pretty sure this is what Mary Shelley was trying to warn us about when she wrote Frankenstein
No frankenstine was about not being cruel to people who look different
But can Frankenstein's monster play Doom?
@@puppyqueen5688while yes, that’s a very surface level interpretation. Mary Shelley was a romantic who opposed the enlightenment, Industrial Revolution, and heroic era of medicine. Frankenstein was written as a ‘cautionary tale’ about the dangers of pushing science too far which was happening at the time. The monster is a physical representation of the horrors that happen when science is pushed too far, these horrors (the monster) eventually catching up with humanity (Frankenstein and his family being killed)
I originally misread the title as using neurons as the hardware to run doom, but this was 200x more insane than even that
Same here but I only realized because I just saw your comment
I think making neurons run Doom would be far more difficult and impressive. But playing Doom is just the start.
Well if Neurons can run a human, shouldn’t be too much of a stretch to see if they can run doom as well 💀
The fact that only a few neurons are needed to play Doom is a reason for this games success.
bro😂
@@BB-wl4qz 😜
Lool!
If unnamed kid brother could play Doom succesfully in 1990s, there is nothing to wonder if a couple of rat's brain cells would play that game better! 🤤
Neuron Gaming
He really took "But can it play Doom" to a whole new level!
Can't wait for down the line when it inevitably runs skyrim
But can it run crisis
I think you got doom confused with crisis. Doom can even run on a toaster
@@pumbi69 I play Doom on my TI-89 titanium
Well, it is know Doom can be play on anything... he just keep the trend going and true!
Ok so this video taught me something. I have ADHD and get Overstimulated A LOT and when I do it’s chaotic noise and unintelligible yelling. The noise is chaotic and you said that neurons naturally try to avoid that and i definitely avoid being overstimulated so I bet that my brain is trying to get me to un-overstimulate myself
Aw sweet man made horrors beyond my comprehension sick heavy guitar riff
I like that this guy's first thought when creating a sentient being is to make it play doom as if "can it play doom" is a benchmark that should apply to living organisms and not just old computers
This is less sentient than a small insect.
@@Kishmond But can it play doom?
@@Kishmond It's more sentient than a tardigrade?
@@nicolasherrera0yeah well giving the neurons positive output is like sex for them so they’re having a goddamn party.
@@Kishmond and? Would you trust an wasp smart enough to play doom? I think not.
I taught human neurons to play Doom by playing it myself
Booooo. You suck
true.
No you didn't you taught them how to pilot a mech to press certain buttons that translate into certain actions and you choose what actions to do based on sensory signals based on light wavelengths (eyes)
Very different
@@Tanystropheus10 Yes I did. It took me like 6 years to master this body. I'm amazed you've heard of my other endeavors. Are you perchance a fan?
@@AS-lv5fwteach me how to pilot a mech broh pls
people in the 19s : Were gonna have flying cars in the 2020s : the 2020s : Growing Living Rat Neurons To Play DOOM
What someone will say 100 years from now...
"awe come on dude, he was 1hp and then I started lagging, my computer must be hungry brb."
We need to get a rat neuron speed run community
Shesh, you've got my laugh
Logical next step
lmao
Are YOU faster than a bunch of rat neuron!?
Rat%
These man made horrors are within my comprehension and they're really cool
Nevermind
@@Tiziotozio01-cz1nd your grammar is beyond my comprehension
Man made horrors are the best ones
I can't wait for the lab-grown brain to face off against a supercomputer.
@@Tiziotozio01-cz1nd I'm with you, man. This video was just kind of disturbing to me, when I think about the implications in the decade to come.
Bro spent so much time working out if he could, he forgot to ask if he should.
making the biomechanical brain ai orgasm every time it kills something couldn’t possibly go wrong
At this point the doom community will overtake the science community technologically very soon
Can we play doom inside our eyes find out in 10-50 years
Can we play doom in our sleep?
Thats when the interdimensional gates to hell will open for real lmao
And the Divinity Machine will exist... Probably.
@@thespaceman8231 yes
Everybody was asking "Can it run DOOM?" But nobody thought to ask "Can I run DOOM?"
e1m1 starts playing (in my mind)
Can you?
@@The_OwO_Shogun yes
i think if you can play doom you can run doom because you're experiencing it which I think would mean you're simulating what you're experiencing in your head (to some degree)
The answer is yes.
This video made me cry. Thank you, you give me hope that although I'm stuck with a crappy lab and professors, there are still real scientists out there doing real scientific experiments.
I totally feel this, currently taking gen chem and my lab instructor is awful
I recall in Star Trek, they have something called bio-neutral gel packs. The concept is that neural-based processors which allow "fuzzy logic" for faster processing time.
This is cool.
Pitting miniature clone-brains of the lab personnel against each other in a quake tournament is the most mad scientist thing I've heard in real life.
yea, why not choose a more peaceful game? Flappy Bird? Tetris? Pacman? Sim City?
@@alexkhastellaris
@@michazadkowski8516ah yes 'peaceful'
@@dgurevich1 it is peacefull after xenos are gone
most of the games you listed are singleplayer
only one that's multiplayer is Tetris, and even then matches of that can get pretty sweaty all things considered@@alexkha
Honestly, the concept of growing actual organic brains, even minituarized ones, with just a few cells or loose tissues grown artificially out of an actual organism to do tasks or control a computer sounds FAR more terrifying than the digital AIs...
that’s basically the plot of Bladerunner lmao
It's conceptually uncanny
Yes
@@subbot8077you mean psycho pass right
its not terrifying, its exciting
“Though unlike the missile the array doesn’t know where it is” bro I just got flashbacks of that missile meme
I think the best part of this video for me is that i finally understand how to play doom. I've had it for years but never knew how it worked, so this helps a ton, haha
you could say that neurons taught neurons, and these neurons taught other neurons how to play doom
Did you try firing the gun?
New episode of manmade horrors beyond my comprehension, good work, greetings from Spain
I think that the explanations are quite excellent, therefore making them man-made horrors within my comprehension ://
I'm so sorry, hope you make it out of there
Noone expects Spanish Inquisition
Arriba España!
Sabes de algún canal o blog sobre ciencia neuronal o organoides neuronales en español? El tema me parece alucinante
You're doing litteral scientific studies and present it as a Youtube funsie to fund it, you have my utmost respect
This man is grinding out meat robots and getting paid. The grind is real.
@@brutuschapman2508meat grinding
I didn't see anything that indicates this is a study
@@LightPink because there isn't, but when you're doing cutting edge research like that, even if you don't publish afterwards (and nothing point to them not doing that, this seems more than worthy enough), you're pushing the field forward.
@@SixWatt put ya head in the meat grinder 🤌
A lot of people don't know this, but the motor units inside muscles are binary, rather than analog, in nature. That means if you are using 80% effort to perform a physical task and you have 10 motor units, 8 of them are "on" and 2 of them are "off", rather than 80% of each motor unit being "on" like you would probably assume. Not sure how this relates to neurons but I thought I'd mention it.
Anyone else concerned about the moral implications of growing brains to be computers? We've already established that there are things that these brains find pleasant, as well as things that they find unpleasant. I can only see this going down a dark route.
Exactly, that was the exact thought I just had
no
Like and dislike (in this case) have nothing to do with emotion. At this level those are just chemical imputs.
no
@@vittoriozanchi2492 But isn't everything we experience some variety of chemical inputs lol
Imagine playing a multiplayer game someday, and you just get destroyed by literal neurons
Edit: Istg people need to understand why I said literal neurons and not neurons controlling a human body 💀
To be fair, we are basically neurons making controlled seizures (or shocks, heh) to a hunk of meat.
Ennard controlling a corpse husk makes more sense now.
@@soupcangaming662just imagine how our flesh is miserable in gaming compared to naked neurones, while we have to see a threat, send a signal for our hand to contract index finger so that we shoot it, neurones basically see threats and shoot immediately
Test tube gaming
@@amvora from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me..
That's literally how it already works when you're playing against your fellow humans lmao
I’m terrified of the idea of severed brain cells learning to circle strafe at top speed and proceeding to play the game with the skill caliber of a professional speedrunner
This is already happening with machine learning, which is literally bruteforcing any possibility simultaneously by abusing the ridiculously INSANE computational power of hardware
@@Sam-hw4kj i know, but that’s a machine emulating the human ability to grow and learn. I’m talking about organic material severed from it’s original environment learning how to do the same kind of stuff on it’s own without any kind of assistance from the rest of the body it originated from. THAT sounds like brain-in-a-jar kind of stuff, which is exactly what this seems to be, minus the brain itself.
I'm thrilled by the idea
The first artificial intelligence made of flesh
That already happens, just with non-severed brain cells.
My thousands of brain cells playing doom On a microcomputer during a test:
It's cool you guys are using Intan. I do neuroscience research at a university and Intan is our go-to for ephys stuff. The RHS system is really nice being able to stim and record at the same time. The amp settling rate sucks though, it's like half a second before the recording signal is reliable.
We go through a lot of those headstages because we use them with awake rats. Gotta love those NIH grants XD
Adding "making home grown brain cells remember doom mechanics" to my list of man made horrors no longer beyond imagination
Putting here cuz no responses
OP is factually wrong when he says that doom is only 2d. The game is legitimately 3 dimensional.
Imagine what governments around the world are doing in a deep dark lab somewhere
@@MortemRex Remaking old non threatening dog viruses into human-spread diseases?
@@Natsukashii-Records ☺️not the government silly! They would never do such an awful thing
@@BiggityBoggity8095 Okay can i have your truth about what you claim ?? Because i never played dooms but have digg into a lot a video that explain dooms ! And to what i know it is not 3d at all ! Only 2d image pre selected through the view of the player to only render a multi 2d image "collage" or paste together ! That why dooms can be play on a electronic pregnancy test of even electric thermometer ! And if you say well there is stair and level .... Well yes but it still in 2d ! When you use a elevator or a doors sometime the game teleport you to a another location in a 2d map ! what you see is only a 2d rendering and the clever trick of John carmack (wich is not is own idea there is a github explain the code to anyone with a goode levl in math ) is to only a reverse square formula to skip the impossible 3d rendering they were aiming to do ! Just think about it it was a time were Graphic card wasnt even at 1gig of ram for the randoms pc owner ! But i'll be more than happy to be wrong and learn a feww things about it ! But i'm sure the first 3d engine weren't 3d at all and use a trick to rendering false 3d ! You know that's why you can't have bullet impact on the wall or smoke grenade ... it's particule rendering or 3d object with own physic wich the game can copy and lie about but can not do by the way redering doom is ; Just like the video say the game is 2d :/
How complex does an array of rat neurons have to get before "negative reinforcement" becomes "pain"?
Also, does using human neurons matter at this point, or is it more a matter of how many neurons you can cram into it?
@@Nerdnumberone I would assume human neurons are better at doing what they do because they need to organize in a more complex way in the brain and so they are better at creating useful connections... As for the pain thing I think that you would need to have a real brain to have the "pain problem": it would have to be really complex to begin suffering I think, and also if you tune the system right even if it had self consciousness (that I think is needed to suffer) you would not need to make it really suffer: it's enough to make an error create an unpleasant situation and a correct response a pleasant one I think, no need for pain
@@the_devolper all things suffer, on with the torture
@@coyotedomino brutal bro brutal.... Love it
A brain can't actually feel pain. It would need pain receptors.
Rat: “I am Rat”
“Rip and tear..”
Rat: “Until it is done..”
He is building a machine spirit to slay daemons, just as the Omnissiah wills it
Imagine a whole room filled with irrigated brain mass used as an advanced AI system… Kind of horrific if you think about it
Yeah it would be pretty fucked up if that thing was actually sentient, if not I guess it’s fine
Read any Peter Watts?
There’s so much potential here, this development could usher in a new age. Giant mother brain computer mechs
imagine playing the next cod game in 2074 using a gaming pc with brain matter in it
you mean "psychopass"?
The fact that the last living memories of this rats brain is quite literally a hell on earth is crazy.
*mars
a bundle of neurons is not going to be formulating conscientious memories or thoughts or feelings.
@@SobeCrunkMonsterprove it
@@Nobddylet me lower your neuron count to >2000 ,and see how much you remember
@@chilling_at_pontiffThe number of cells has very little to do with their function. A dog's brain is way bigger than a rat's, but they aren't significantly smarter.
You can get Doom to be played on crab logic gates played by rat neurons in theory.
Doom guy rat: What am I, father? Why do I exist? Just to suffer?
We're just a bunch of neurons watching a bunch of neurons growing a bunch of neurons to play doom
But can it run Doom?
Nice joke! 😂
Ever tried dmt?
@@Jakub98x how would I ever be able to afford that
@@Egg_fanatic I don't think it's unaffordable lol
So let me get this straight: you guys are gonna grow Metroid clones of yourselves out of your own skin cells, and then train them to play competitive deathmatch against each other?
Finally, the future's starting to seem interesting
imagine training against a living trained clone of your cells in video games
or cooping with one
@@Blueness1230 we both know thats a lie
I would settle for sperm races instead of horse races.
I want to do this
@rubenflores1200 - 2023-08-11
Rat neurons “What is my purpose”
Scientists “You will play doom”
Rat neurons “Sick”
@kennyoffhenny - 2023-10-23
😭
@JmKrokY - 2023-10-28
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@UnusuallyFrisky - 2023-10-29
TBH, that is pretty f***ing tight. 😤
@cleptuno - 2023-10-29
“You can also pass the butter, once you get killed“.
@FuS3D86 - 2023-10-29
Rat neurons "Do I get cheese?"
Scientists "No... you get a tone generator"