The Thought Emporium - 2023-07-10
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The fact that human neurons are so advanced that they can force other neurons into playing doom for them is crazy
Makes you wonder, what we're doing for some 4th dimensional scientist using 3D spacetime instead of 2D glass discs for growth media.
Ya know, you bring up and interesting point. Imagine how these other neurons feel, they must think we’re quite audacious to do experiments like this
You gain conscousness just to reap and tear rhose demons
Crazy? I was crazy once.
@@KinuTheDragon They locked me in a rubber room. A rubber room with rat neurons. Rat neurons make me play doom.
Imagine gaining consciousness for the first time and your just Doomguy
*you’re
lmao this has just become a giant meme in the replies
@@realbrickbread yuo're
Yore*
*er’uoy
*yur
It's nice to think that someone's thought process while looking at a brain was "but can it run Doom?"
Well, it's playing DOOM rather than running DOOM.
My brain can also play DOOM, but can't run it.
@@nathangamble125 quitter mindset
@@nathangamble125 you're technically running doom if you're thinking of doom.
@@nathangamble125🤓
@@nathangamble125 nerd
Imagine getting stomped in an FPS and it's just an array of a few hundred neurons that owned you.
Well, technically this was always a thing
I wonder if the Petri dishes will be capable of typing “I mitosed ur mom loser” in game chat…
Haha i can only imagine...
cries in TF2
Imagine loosening to something with millions if not billions less neurons than you
Who would win?
Experienced pro gamer with decades playing a variety of shooters vs. a neuron blob
Rat neurons “What is my purpose”
Scientists “You will play doom”
Rat neurons “Sick”
😭
Fr
TBH, that is pretty f***ing tight. 😤
“You can also pass the butter, once you get killed“.
Rat neurons "Do I get cheese?"
Scientists "No... you get a tone generator"
Imagine frantically running home, but instead of, "I left the oven on!", its, "I forgot to feed my computer!" 💀💀
Warhammer be like:
bruh💀💀💀
this is funny asf💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Mom: remember to feed the computer!
And then it becomes conscious
Wow a TF2 emblem haver
The fact that only a few neurons are needed to play Doom is a reason for this games success.
bro😂
@@BB-wl4qz 😜
Lool!
If unnamed kid brother could play Doom succesfully in 1990s, there is nothing to wonder if a couple of rat's brain cells would play that game better! 🤤
Neuron Gaming
“Ah sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension!”
-Peter Griffin
wonders*
Me seeing horrors beyond my comprehension (I don’t get it)
I like that this guy's first thought when creating a sentient being is to make it play doom as if "can it play doom" is a benchmark that should apply to living organisms and not just old computers
This is less sentient than a small insect.
@@Kishmond But can it play doom?
@@Kishmond It's more sentient than a tardigrade?
@@nicolasherrera0yeah well giving the neurons positive output is like sex for them so they’re having a goddamn party.
@@Kishmond and? Would you trust an wasp smart enough to play doom? I think not.
He really took "But can it play Doom" to a whole new level!
Can't wait for down the line when it inevitably runs skyrim
But can it run crisis
I think you got doom confused with crisis. Doom can even run on a toaster
@@pumbi69 I play Doom on my TI-89 titanium
Well, it is know Doom can be play on anything... he just keep the trend going and true!
We need to get a rat neuron speed run community
Shesh, you've got my laugh
Logical next step
lmao
Are YOU faster than a bunch of rat neuron!?
Rat%
A lot of people don't know this, but the motor units inside muscles are binary, rather than analog, in nature. That means if you are using 80% effort to perform a physical task and you have 10 motor units, 8 of them are "on" and 2 of them are "off", rather than 80% of each motor unit being "on" like you would probably assume. Not sure how this relates to neurons but I thought I'd mention it.
"We're building a meat-robot"..."we're training it to play DOOM"....I see no way that this could end horribly.
something, something, Skynet. Something, something Armageddon
😂🤣😂 You guys! 😉
Hey, there won't be no problems.... unless a portal to hell opens up on Mars
@@Barrel4336 all because Douglas Quaid blabbed about Mars. Smh
Maybe it saves us from the Demons coming through the portal
Pitting miniature clone-brains of the lab personnel against each other in a quake tournament is the most mad scientist thing I've heard in real life.
yea, why not choose a more peaceful game? Flappy Bird? Tetris? Pacman? Sim City?
@@alexkhastellaris
@@michazadkowski8516ah yes 'peaceful'
@@dgurevich1 it is peacefull after xenos are gone
most of the games you listed are singleplayer
only one that's multiplayer is Tetris, and even then matches of that can get pretty sweaty all things considered@@alexkha
You're doing litteral scientific studies and present it as a Youtube funsie to fund it, you have my utmost respect
This man is grinding out meat robots and getting paid. The grind is real.
@@brutuschapman2508meat grinding
I didn't see anything that indicates this is a study
@@LightPink because there isn't, but when you're doing cutting edge research like that, even if you don't publish afterwards (and nothing point to them not doing that, this seems more than worthy enough), you're pushing the field forward.
@@SixWatt put ya head in the meat grinder 🤌
What someone will say 100 years from now...
"awe come on dude, he was 1hp and then I started lagging, my computer must be hungry brb."
it's atleast like a 100 bucks for a Iphone 30
I’m terrified of the idea of severed brain cells learning to circle strafe at top speed and proceeding to play the game with the skill caliber of a professional speedrunner
This is already happening with machine learning, which is literally bruteforcing any possibility simultaneously by abusing the ridiculously INSANE computational power of hardware
@@sa2-2k14 i know, but that’s a machine emulating the human ability to grow and learn. I’m talking about organic material severed from it’s original environment learning how to do the same kind of stuff on it’s own without any kind of assistance from the rest of the body it originated from. THAT sounds like brain-in-a-jar kind of stuff, which is exactly what this seems to be, minus the brain itself.
I'm thrilled by the idea
The first artificial intelligence made of flesh
That already happens, just with non-severed brain cells.
These man made horrors are within my comprehension and they're really cool
Nevermind
@@Tiziotozio01-cz1nd your grammar is beyond my comprehension
Man made horrors are the best ones
I can't wait for the lab-grown brain to face off against a supercomputer.
@@Tiziotozio01-cz1nd I'm with you, man. This video was just kind of disturbing to me, when I think about the implications in the decade to come.
I didn't realize until the start of this video, but a meat robot is basically a homunculus. Crazy how sometimes science loops back abound to its historical roots in alchemy.
If this is a homunculus, then so are things like ChatGPT and all the other AIs. Hell, our CPUs and GPUs probably count as well, with the amount of 'neurons' and 'connections' it has. This video really had me thinking on the nature of conciousness and humanness.
@dejavuism I'd say current AI tech isn't really anywhere close to complex enough to be considered conscious though. And while a GPU might have a lot of connections, I wouldn't consider it a homunculus either. I think the meat robot is close to the idea of a homunculus because of its organic nature, what with alchemical homunculi being artificial humans and all.
well, the capabilites lie in different areas, the brain is more complex and powerful than our ai, yes, but ai is seldom delusional or willfully ignorant id imagine too...Plus human error and all its nuances
@@DG-iw3yw I was about to [jokingly] say "uhh I'm pretty sure ChatGPT has been both delusional and willfully ignorant"... but if anything, that actually reinforces your point 😂
(and to the inevitable nerd that comes along to tell me that chatGPT wasn't actually delusional or willfully ignorant: shut up. just.. shut up )
styropyro quote
making the biomechanical brain ai orgasm every time it kills something couldn’t possibly go wrong
Skynet
@@maosephxingstalinping6510 Skynet, but with a xenomorph for a brain. :D
@@peppermintgal4302 Make this a movie
"orgasm".
@@maosephxingstalinping6510just a movie? I'd say make it reality.
Honestly, the concept of growing actual organic brains, even minituarized ones, with just a few cells or loose tissues grown artificially out of an actual organism to do tasks or control a computer sounds FAR more terrifying than the digital AIs...
that’s basically the plot of Bladerunner lmao
It's conceptually uncanny
Yes
@@subbot8077you mean psycho pass right
its not terrifying, its exciting
Damn, Doom truly is the universal videogame, it can be played in anything that can generate electricity
Too limited, someone ought to see if they can run Doom on a clockwork Babbage Engine.
Well, there are A FEW requirements...but...yeah.
At this point the doom community will overtake the science community technologically very soon
Can we play doom inside our eyes find out in 10-50 years
Can we play doom in our sleep?
Thats when the interdimensional gates to hell will open for real lmao
And the Divinity Machine will exist... Probably.
@@thespaceman8231 yes
As a PhD student in biomedical engineering focusing on stem cells and blood vessel organoids, this series is a awesome to watch and gives me a lot of ideas to try!
oh no a smart person
I find this stuff fascinating, i have one more year of high-school and plan on going into biomedical engineering, i feel i know what it's about pretty well but I'd love if you could spare the time to explain some of the things you and/or your colleagues do in as much detail you seem fit. Thanks in advance.
@@Jason-rp3jg no but they might actually do something with this idea instead of "can you run doom on a brain" (and j realise that theyre making the brain cells play doom instead of run it I used 'run doom' to emphasize the meme origin of this)
oh no I'm scared of what your ideas may be
@@jan-Sopija yeah like helping paralyzed people interact with the world in unique and useful ways. The applications of using cells with computers and stuff as well as modifying them are endless.
How complex does an array of rat neurons have to get before "negative reinforcement" becomes "pain"?
Also, does using human neurons matter at this point, or is it more a matter of how many neurons you can cram into it?
@@Nerdnumberone I would assume human neurons are better at doing what they do because they need to organize in a more complex way in the brain and so they are better at creating useful connections... As for the pain thing I think that you would need to have a real brain to have the "pain problem": it would have to be really complex to begin suffering I think, and also if you tune the system right even if it had self consciousness (that I think is needed to suffer) you would not need to make it really suffer: it's enough to make an error create an unpleasant situation and a correct response a pleasant one I think, no need for pain
@@the_devolper all things suffer, on with the torture
@@coyotedomino brutal bro brutal.... Love it
A brain can't actually feel pain. It would need pain receptors.
I taught human neurons to play Doom by playing it myself
Booooo. You suck
true.
No you didn't you taught them how to pilot a mech to press certain buttons that translate into certain actions and you choose what actions to do based on sensory signals based on light wavelengths (eyes)
Very different
@@Tanystropheus10 Yes I did. It took me like 6 years to master this body. I'm amazed you've heard of my other endeavors. Are you perchance a fan?
@@RepDreStreteach me how to pilot a mech broh pls
Pretty sure this is what Mary Shelley was trying to warn us about when she wrote Frankenstein
No frankenstine was about not being cruel to people who look different
But can Frankenstein's monster play Doom?
@@puppyqueen5688while yes, that’s a very surface level interpretation. Mary Shelley was a romantic who opposed the enlightenment, Industrial Revolution, and heroic era of medicine. Frankenstein was written as a ‘cautionary tale’ about the dangers of pushing science too far which was happening at the time. The monster is a physical representation of the horrors that happen when science is pushed too far, these horrors (the monster) eventually catching up with humanity (Frankenstein and his family being killed)
Nope. Wrong. She finished Frankenstein in 1817. DOOM was released in 1993. Mary Shelley never played DOOM.
@@willambernahecooking4036No way, really???? I thought the first installment of DOOM came out in the 1800s!!!
New episode of manmade horrors beyond my comprehension, good work, greetings from Spain
I think that the explanations are quite excellent, therefore making them man-made horrors within my comprehension ://
I'm so sorry, hope you make it out of there
Noone expects Spanish Inquisition
Arriba España!
Sabes de algún canal o blog sobre ciencia neuronal o organoides neuronales en español? El tema me parece alucinante
"You can grow neurons from skin cells"
I certainly need to do that to myself
xD
Too much skin and not enough brain?
@@orthotronyes
That's terrifying. Most people have "just enough skin"
@@catatoblob8598 you can harvest your own skin, just let it grow back each time
Imagine having different batches compete against each other in Quake. Then through years of tweaking and improving generations of this, you create the ultimate force of gaming neurons.
Or you could take the best specimens and turn them against actual people to conquer the world.
@@Dengar97they would only know how to play Quake, tho!
Ultimate war machine
@@Dengar97I don’t want to take the best specimens and turn them against actual people, Spider-Man!
And then release them into multiplayer
I originally misread the title as using neurons as the hardware to run doom, but this was 200x more insane than even that
Same here but I only realized because I just saw your comment
I think making neurons run Doom would be far more difficult and impressive. But playing Doom is just the start.
Well if Neurons can run a human, shouldn’t be too much of a stretch to see if they can run doom as well 💀
Yeah I had the same idea of them running them not playing it
Imagine creating what is essentially a completely organic supercomputer just to play Doom
You might like playing Rain World then!
You might like playing Rain World then!
You might like playing rainworld then!
You might like playing Rain World then!
You might like playing Rain World then!
The fact that the last living memories of this rats brain is quite literally a hell on earth is crazy.
*mars
a bundle of neurons is not going to be formulating conscientious memories or thoughts or feelings.
@Nobddylet me lower your neuron count to >2000 ,and see how much you remember
@@chilling_at_pontiffThe number of cells has very little to do with their function. A dog's brain is way bigger than a rat's, but they aren't significantly smarter.
@@SobeCrunkMonster I was actually pretty worried about this. Thank you.
This gives the sentence “my computer died” a whole new meaning
😂
Computer: my brain hurts, can we play later?
User: no
3 questions of the internet:
Can it play doom?
can it show bad apple?
can it sound out megalovania?
Can it rick roll
Can
It
Squirt?
You forgot one
Is there p*rn of it?
Does it blend?
Bad apple is the least impressive, megalovania requires some effort, and doom requires the most computing power.
I don't think Carmack or Romero could have ever have predicted that people would do this with their game
carmack is from the 5th dimension he already knew
Incorporeal entity John carmack knows everything.
Now you should turn it into a computer that can render a CGI spinning rat
Make the rat make a program architecture capable of making architecture to create more rat programs
Imagine you just gain consciousness and you see your rat mother spinning into the void with a tpose
@@kentozapater8972 for all you know I’m actually spinning rat that’s been given YouTube access
I USED THE RAT TO MAKE THE RAT
@@Partyturtle357 yes
This video made me cry. Thank you, you give me hope that although I'm stuck with a crappy lab and professors, there are still real scientists out there doing real scientific experiments.
I totally feel this, currently taking gen chem and my lab instructor is awful
Adding "making home grown brain cells remember doom mechanics" to my list of man made horrors no longer beyond imagination
Putting here cuz no responses
OP is factually wrong when he says that doom is only 2d. The game is legitimately 3 dimensional.
Imagine what governments around the world are doing in a deep dark lab somewhere
@@Mrree250 Remaking old non threatening dog viruses into human-spread diseases?
@@Natsukashii-Records ☺️not the government silly! They would never do such an awful thing
@@BiggityBoggity8095 Okay can i have your truth about what you claim ?? Because i never played dooms but have digg into a lot a video that explain dooms ! And to what i know it is not 3d at all ! Only 2d image pre selected through the view of the player to only render a multi 2d image "collage" or paste together ! That why dooms can be play on a electronic pregnancy test of even electric thermometer ! And if you say well there is stair and level .... Well yes but it still in 2d ! When you use a elevator or a doors sometime the game teleport you to a another location in a 2d map ! what you see is only a 2d rendering and the clever trick of John carmack (wich is not is own idea there is a github explain the code to anyone with a goode levl in math ) is to only a reverse square formula to skip the impossible 3d rendering they were aiming to do ! Just think about it it was a time were Graphic card wasnt even at 1gig of ram for the randoms pc owner ! But i'll be more than happy to be wrong and learn a feww things about it ! But i'm sure the first 3d engine weren't 3d at all and use a trick to rendering false 3d ! You know that's why you can't have bullet impact on the wall or smoke grenade ... it's particule rendering or 3d object with own physic wich the game can copy and lie about but can not do by the way redering doom is ; Just like the video say the game is 2d :/
i remember watching the rat cells control the flight simulator like 17 years ago on the science channel. i'm so glad that you have revived this and brought it back to people's attention.
That was 17 years ago?! Holy shi
@@socialgutbrain7774 apparently it happened all the way back in 2004
@@socialgutbrain7774 we are far behind actually development of science
@@matthewpritchard9777then it happened 19 years ago
@@firek9195 What do you mean by that?
This is absolutely stunning on my opinion. The fact that this can be a real, living thing with very primitive intelligence, and it learns how to play a geme. But at the same time, this is funny because just imagine you wake up and you're just Doom guy
This is what the neurons are experiencing
"You have been selected to become Doomguy!"
"Huh, what???"
@@Twekion what if neurons could learn to make Youtube comments. anyone one of us could just be a pile of bottled robot flesh and no one would know
It's highly exaggerated. Most functioning, like the idea of aiming and firing is based on binary computer logic. Only dedicated decision-making might add a tiny bit to what otherwise would be a program with some RNG-trickery.
@@manuell3505 You missed the joke buddy 😅
@@armanazmiibnamin1108 And that is? Calling bs...
babe wake up new horrific state of consciousness just dropped
Think we've finally taken the old "yea, but can it run doom?" meme, far enough
lol
Can’t wait to get the new doom port installed in my frontal cortex
No. Until we design the universe to play doom, we will never be finished.
They were so focused on seeing if it could run Doom they didn't stop to think should it run Doom
No, that would involve removing someone's brain and spinal cord and using that to play Doom.
Everybody was asking "Can it run DOOM?" But nobody thought to ask "Can I run DOOM?"
e1m1 starts playing (in my mind)
Can you?
@@The_OwO_Shogun yes
i think if you can play doom you can run doom because you're experiencing it which I think would mean you're simulating what you're experiencing in your head (to some degree)
The answer is yes.
Ah yes. One more step towards servitors and man made horrors beyond our comprehension. Excellent work.
Black mirror for real
@@Fangyuan838you reminded me of the SOMA game, you should probably check it out if you haven’t. Touches upon storing your mind as a file.
Man made horrors beyond our comprehension - or wonders beyond our comprehension. It just depends on whether humanity continues to value human/sentient rights.
Sick. I don't believe experience is sacred if it even exists in some meaningful way. So bring it
Remember the AI replicators on StarGate SGI ???
“Though unlike the missile the array doesn’t know where it is” bro I just got flashbacks of that missile meme
I've got a feeling that DOOM is going to be a test of choice for the next 1000 years.
In the next 1000 years humans will be the test choice
@@muguly4591we already are the test of choice.
@@ClancayCargo yeah but it's getting worse and worse and people are going to normalize it and then we're screwed
That or Skyrim
Doom is eternal
Fascinating work, man! I'm really glad and impressed to see your progress.
@thethoughtemporium - 2024-06-14
Over the past year we've made some serious progress on this project, come check out Part 2: https://youtu.be/c-pWliufu6U
@GamePilLP - 2024-06-14
Great video, watching it before the part two! Btw, do you know what movie/show is the clip at 0:56?
@Xnoob545 - 2024-06-15
Ok
@thethoughtemporium - 2024-06-15
@@GamePilLP They're Made Out of Meat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ
@GamePilLP - 2024-06-15
@@thethoughtemporium Many thanks. Can't wait for the next part