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Lab Notes: Sodium progress report and dimethyl dioxane troubles - June 2018

NurdRage - 2018-06-28

A video overview of my lab notes for June 2018.

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Dean - 2018-06-28

I think that you should place the video of the synthesis on YouTube. It is always fun to watch a video on the synthesis of a chemical even if it is not necessarily immediately useful. Especially considering you have already filmed the process.

Captian Morgan - 2018-06-29

I agree.

Lucas Wang - 2018-06-29

Yes, you definitely should post it. The more videos we get from you the better :)

Nicolas Haller - 2018-06-29

I want to see that aswell would be great.
Oh and a very informative video.

NurdRage - 2018-06-28

This video shows that when a professional chemist gets angry and frustrated with their research, they spend time relaxing by making drugs.

ShadowDragon8685 - 2018-07-06

A video on the creation of Dimethyl Dioxane would be pretty cool. Who knows, maybe you'll find the stuff useful in the future and be glad you know how to turn a bigMcLargeHuge jug of antifreeze into the stuff.

Blackfoot Minuteman - 2018-07-12

The sanding effect from the solids combined in the mixture sure does not help the high priced glass last.

Mia Mama - 2018-07-12

NurdRage I found a way to have a protective coating inside the glass. You line the inside with silicon tetrachloride, then let it sit for it to react with atmospheric moisture. It should make an even coating

HornHustler - 2018-07-19


Usik Kurchatov - 2018-11-14

Most people think “mmm...drugs”
But chemists think “mmm...synthesizing drugs”

mrp123123123 - 2018-06-29

Not a waste at all. I've learned by listening. Your failures in chemistry surpass my meager successes. I don't mind that you haven't fulfilled your primary goal. I keep watching.

Miguel Celano Menezes de Almeida - 2018-06-28

Please, do upload the dimethyl dioxane video! It's got a lot of cool insight on experimenting procedure!

RedwoodRhiadra - 2018-06-29

Absolutely, I'd love to see that.

Brian Streufert - 2018-06-29


Monsterray - 2018-07-07

I love to see any and all of your videos, so this would be awesome to watch some more reactions with dimethyl dioxane!

j_sum1 - 2018-06-29

Posting so-called failures is extremely valuable. It is not done often enough. I appreciate it. Please keep up the good work.

If you have the footage already, why not post the dimethyl dioxane anyway. It might not be useful for this application but it could be valuable for some other application. Having a good synth searchable might help someone else.

Andrewx8 88 - 2018-06-28

@NurdRage 5:35 Vape stores sell pure propylene glycol by the liter.

Safety Lucas - 2018-06-29

It can also be purchased cheaply at farm stores for preventing ketosis in cattle.

SigEpBlue - 2018-06-29

Yep, about $23 (ouch) for a one-gallon jug of USP propylene glycol at Tractor Supply. I've used it for a few experiments.

[Whatever name goes here] - 2018-06-29

SigEpBlue 23 for a one gallon jug is not a lot to be honest

Žan Pekošak - 2018-06-29

SigEpBlue You think thats a lot? Here its 30€ so thats a bit more in dollars for 4 liter (gallon).

SigEpBlue - 2018-06-30

It used to be $16, just a few (6?) years ago. I suppose it's not terrible at $23, considering it's USP grade.

Second World - 2018-06-28

9:28 that is the best idea I've ever heard! It's almost as good as the idea for your channel!

Full Modern Alchemist - 2018-06-29

I personally find these sometimes more helpful to my own research than the successful videos.

kmarasin - 2018-06-28

JFC this is the most frustrating of your videos I've seen. I really feel your pain here.

Is there really no prior work on these compounds that would have helped you avoid some of these pitfalls? It's fun to go "spelunking" in science only as long as everything works out; otherwise you end up questioning your purpose in life.

Rowan smith - 2018-06-29

i think spelunking like that eventually does lead somewhere, im doing alot of work here but watching him do his work at the same time allows me to not have to do it myself. and he is making progress slowly, I like the idea of a tertiary alcohol to catalyze it. i wonder if sodium ethoxide could be isolated and then an addition of something else could percipitate sodium while watching this

Steven S. Smith - 2018-06-28

yes to the lab notes

Second World - 2018-06-28

I know you're experimenting, but just watching this is making me angry. I can't imagine how you felt while dealing with this. Keep up the work. EDIT THAT VIDEO! WE NEEED IT! Dang science. You and your tricks! Good luck Nurd!

Dream Services International - 2018-06-29

Yeah, the fact that he had to try it himself is proof that demand for the information existed at least once.

Hong Bitter - 2018-06-28

Good to see you!

Custos - 2018-06-29

Dude, you're a scientist. You should be well aware that presenting pointless/useless information is 90% of what we do. Besides, us non-chemists are at least partly here for the entertainment and exploration, not necessarily because we plan on implementing or otherwise reproducing your findings. Sorry if that sounds a bit soul-crushing.

stamasd - 2018-06-29

Preach on. I spent 8 years of my life on what retrospectively was a clearly useless and doomed line of research. And somehow I haven't gone insane.

Aussie Chemist - 2018-06-29

Custos understand your point, but since you are already here watching the video, I think it doesn’t hurt to learn something out of it. Nurdrage has a PhD , perhaps a professor in an university, it’s very hard for him not to explain throughly ok?

Hey Dude - 2018-06-28

So I saw your growing silver crystals and was wondering if you could do the same with gold

NurdRage - 2018-06-28

Yes! although i don't have enough gold to demonstrate it.

backonninja - 2018-06-29

Hey Dude You can grow decently sized iron crystals quickly using electrolysis. I've grown crystals that are about an inch long in 20 minutes. I did this in a bath of diluted HCl acid and a 12 volt computer power supply. Interestingly enough, the exact same setup produces a very fine powder when using copper instead of iron. Any idea why, NurdRage?

Marin3r - 2018-06-29

NurdRage ask cody to send you some!

Max Bambusman - 2018-06-29

NurdRage maybe ask Cody'sLab

6alecapristrudel - 2018-06-29

backonninja 12 Volts is way too much for copper plating. The current will be stupid high since computer power supplies are beefy. A CuSO4 plating cell runs at well below 1 Volt
One thing that determines the properties of your deposit is current (actually current per unit area of electrode surface). Once you reach a certain current you just can't plate copper any faster since it can't diffuse to the cathode fast enough. At that point copper atoms will immediately and randomly be deposited when they reach the surface. This leads to powdery deposits (actually many tiny crystals growing like trees).
Above a certain voltage (1.2V-ish, depends on many things) you will also start start braking down your solvent (water) and any excess current is wasted and gas formation can ruin your deposit.
Another thing that determines how your deposit looks is simply the nature of the metal you're plating. I have never seen copper grow big crystals like tin does for example. You will either get a solid copper layer or powder.

Rsaramallac - 2018-06-29

I think the lab note idea seems pretty good
Also definitely post the something dioxane video

Ken Kowalski - 2018-06-29

Perhaps You need to ball mill your magnesium first? that might save time and glass wear as well👍

Laharl Krichevskoy - 2018-06-29

If its temperature you need why not use a pressured vessel?
Maybe add a pressure valve and manometer to regulate the pressure and if its steel, you could cut a window on the side and add a piece of borosilicate glass and seal it witn high temperature silicon sealant. Or an rectangular o ring if you cab find one.
That could easilly do 60psi and about 450*C.

kleetus92 - 2018-06-29

Laharl Krichevskoy that is an interesting idea, raise the boiling point by raising the pressure.. duh!

Well done. You're pretty much relegated to metal reaction vessels be ayes the higher temperature may eat the glass faster as well.

Laharl Krichevskoy - 2018-06-29

But it beeing just a small window maybe he could find some other kind of glass that wont react with sodium hydroxide, im not 100% sure but maybe lead glass or aluminium oxide glass or fused quartz, not sure if those exist as a product that he could buy though. Maybe there's even some special composition of glass that resists sodium hydroxide or some high temperature plastic or something.
But now that i think about it, maybe just borosilicate glass, cover it in aluminium and then "anodize" it completely, all that should be left would be a really thin aluminium oxide layer that is mostly transparent. Still i have no idea if all of this wont react with it.
Emeralds are mostly aluminium oxide, maybe he could find a piece of artificial emerald to make a window just like they use artificial ruby to make lenses, bushings and stuff.

Benjamin Miller - 2018-06-29

Sodium hydroxide DOES react with aluminium (and it's oxides) NurdRage even mentions it is this video (along with magnesium) as metals that won't resist Sodium Hydroxide. 1:50

Tr Mu - 2018-07-02

The problem is he would need to regulate the pressure since the reaction produces Hydrogen gas

LordKelvin100 Thompson - 2019-07-30

Be a helluvalot easier to just make a Cassner Cell and reduce your sodium electrolytically.

KingNast - 2018-06-29

9:04 What is Nucmgncskspetrspy analysis

Stephan Freeman - 2018-06-29

NMR. He'll probably run a proton NMR, which basically shows the location of every (unique) proton on a molecule, allowing you to validate the structure of your synthesis. In short, it's a way to check your results on a molecular level.

Kim - 2018-06-30

KingNast haha the effort of spelling it..

Tony Cudney - 2018-06-29

I just gotta say, I've been following you for about a year and it just hit me: You're the 'Bob Ross' of science!

Justice Sportsman - 2018-06-28

I've been watching you for years and just now realized you are Canadian xD

Safety Lucas - 2018-06-29

You're making important progress toward a holy grail of home chemistry. Thank you NurdRage!

Gadgetboy - 2018-06-29

Could be interesting to watch. By the way, I've been reading "Ignition! An informal history of liquid rocket propellants." It's a fantastic read, and might give you some fun possible material for future videos.

Triclops200 - 2018-06-29

This was one of my favorite videos from you. Failures are a huge part of science and you discovered something useful from it anyways, even if it wasn't your goal: the boiling point of dimethyl dioxane. Please post that synthesis video.

Racker26 - 2018-06-29

I'd love to see a video for it. I mean, when you already have the footage it doesn't have much of a detriment to making it into a video.

Xdew Gaming&More - 2018-06-28

Add an [ActualNurdRage] tag to the video and upload it!

Randal Wilson - 2018-06-29

Thank you for the videos. I've enjoyed them now for almost 10 years!

Isaac The Destroyer of Stuped - 2018-06-29

I feel your pain though I would still love to see the dimethyl dioxane video.

jared garden - 2018-06-29

Grignard reactions with nitriles has always confused me, I always thought the resulting ketone would be far more favorable for nucleophilic attack and so even if you kept the nitrile in excess, most of your product would participate in side reactions.
I could be and am likely very wrong.

Aidan Trujillo - 2018-06-29

You could buy (or make) some PTFE coated glassware. As you know, PTFE is incredibly inert.

Scirobo - 2018-06-29

Yes! I would love to see a video on synthesis of dimethyl dioxane. One can never have too much data.

mrjcaudy - 2018-06-29

Hey Nurdrage! I just got my exam results for my second year of chemistry today and they were much better than I ever thought I could do. Thank you for being a continuing source of chemical intrigue in me!


Peter Gray - 2018-06-29

Omg I thought you died or something it had been so long had me nurd raging

Ben Sanders - 2018-06-29

This stuff is absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for your work!

Drakenbakken - 2018-06-28

Hope you find a good reaction for your sodium production. This must all be so frustrating for you

Mohd Aradi - 2018-06-29

that would be a waist of videoing, please upload the distilling vid. Much Appreciated

TheOtherWhiteBread0 - 2018-06-29

Yes I'm going to need to add the information to my manual for when the world ends. Thanks.

D Hawthorne - 2018-06-29

Go ahead and upload the DMDO video. I know Id still learn something from it and your channel could use the views.
Best of luck when you give this another shot.

twocvbloke - 2018-06-29

Post the failures anyway, even a fail is a great learning tool... :)

Walter Melons - 2018-06-30

Would love to see the footage. And interesting idea fortifying the glass.

Aco - 2018-06-28

If you have the footage, it'd be fun to watch. I enjoy watching these updates as well.

Thanks for all your time and investments.

Temo Lopez - 2018-06-29

I you have the footage, yes, that way we can learn more.

Mordecai Veldt - 2018-07-01

I love the lab note videos. It's important to see these processes, and the approach to failures.

rititone - 2018-06-29

Lab Notes sound awesome Nurd! Also I'd personally love to watch how to make dimethyl dioxane, and remember: negative results are what makes science advance :)

movax20h - 2018-06-29

Frustrating for you. I enjoy some failure videos and explorations that often are dead ended

Bob Hopeldorf - 2018-06-28

I like seeing the failures as well as the successes. Good reminder that chem is as much an art as a science & things don't always go your way. Keep up the good work:)

Aaron X. - 2018-06-29

Awesome video, dude! Keep up the great work! Love the channel and all the videos (even the ones that include failures)

Duros360 - 2018-06-30

Next on the agenda for NurdRage...Transparent aluminium! :P

Walt Sorensen - 2018-06-29

edit the video, always interesting to see.

Anonymous Wizzard - 2018-06-30

It seems, that Youtube started to mess with subscription page too. Your video showed up in the "yesterday" section when you published it.

Erick Hyde - 2018-06-29

You might as well make the other footage into videos also, somebody can undoubtedly use it